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2006-08-10 11:01 AM

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Subject: Garmin 201, 301 or Garmin 205 or 305?
Can anyone tell me what the newer generation Garmins do better than the old ones? Also what does the 301 or the 305 do better than the 201 or 205? None of these can go in the water for swimming, right? Can you buy anything to count how many laps you're swimming? I always seem to lose count when I get tired... Thanks for your feedback.

Sylvain in Cali.


2006-08-10 11:31 AM
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Subject: RE: Garmin 201, 301 or Garmin 205 or 305?

I don't own any of them but have researched.  So, take this with a grain of salt.  The new units have better GPS reception technology allowing for faster sync and reduced signal loss.  That alone is huge IMHO.  I think the 305 changed HR protocols as well, allowing for better performance.

Water...I think the consensus is that they are "supposedly" able to go in the water, but nobody has the guts to do it.  I've seen people put it under their swim cap in the back of their head to protect it, and it works fine.

Swimming...a stack of pennies, move one off the stack of "x" until you're done.  Divide the workout in half and count up, then down.  Standard chorograph watch...start the chrono and hit the lap button at each wall or every other wall.  That works for me.

2006-08-10 11:40 AM
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Subject: RE: Garmin 201, 301 or Garmin 205 or 305?
On the Garmin website it says that they are able to be under 1 meter of water for 30 minutes.
2006-08-10 11:43 AM
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goran007 - 2006-08-10 11:40 AM On the Garmin website it says that they are able to be under 1 meter of water for 30 minutes.

Correct, but as I said, most users I've talked to are skittish about doing it.  Oh, I forgot, the 201/301 is very long and rectangular, while the 205/305 is smaller, kinda square, and more comfortable.  Nicer display in a smaller package.  Still much larger than a watch, but not AS LARGE as the previous iterations.

2006-08-10 11:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Garmin 201, 301 or Garmin 205 or 305?
morey1 - 2006-08-10 12:43 PM

Correct, but as I said, most users I've talked to are skittish about doing it. Oh, I forgot, the 201/301 is very long and rectangular, while the 205/305 is smaller, kinda square, and more comfortable. Nicer display in a smaller package. Still much larger than a watch, but not AS LARGE as the previous iterations.

The 205/305 is very large.  I recommend trying one on before you buy it.  I have very small wrists and I couldn't comfortably wear one with either of the bands that comes with it.  I could easily wear a 201/301. 

2006-08-10 11:56 AM
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Subject: RE: Garmin 201, 301 or Garmin 205 or 305?
Artemis,
Do you mean you could run with the 205/305 and not with the 201/301?


2006-08-10 12:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Garmin 201, 301 or Garmin 205 or 305?
I have owned a 201 for about 1 year and a 305 for about 3 months and I'm a total geek when it comes to things like this, so I've read a whole lot about them.

201 is a good basic fitness GPS that can display speed either mph or min/mi (of course in metric as well). It also has a "virtual trainer" that will allow you to set a distance and time goal and keep you notified on how your are doing towards that goal. Finally, it also could be setup to do interval training, although I never used this feature.

The 301 was next in the evolution and added (note that I never used this one):

  • Heart rate monitor and chest strap. The HRM seems to be farmed out to CardioSport (their coded chest straps work with the 301) and many people have experienced problems with the HR reading coming and going. Note that many more also have never had problems, but enough have complained (and Garmin did change with the 305) for me to believe it is somewhat problematic.
  • Advanced Workouts. I'm assuming this works as does in the 305. You can setup any kind of workout you can imagine using any type of guide (ie HR zone, time, distance, calorie burned, etc) for each step.
  • Multisport functionality. Again, I'm assuming that this works the same as the 305. Allows to setup differnet HR and speed zones based on sport (Cycling, Running, and Other). Also has an auto-multisport mode that you configure the sports that you will be doing as one activity (ie triathlon=other, bike, run) and then specify whether or not transitions will be included. Then each time the lap button is pressed, the next sport (or transitio) is automatically started. I've had problems with this by accidently pressing the lap button and messing it up.


The 305 adds (from the 301):

  • A better, more sensitive GPS receiver.
  • A different HRM (chest strap and transmiter/receiver) from DynaStream
  • ability to add a wireless speed/cadence sensor. The speed is used from this when no GPS signal is available (most useful when on the trainer).
  • a different "watch" case. Most like it, but I prefer the 201/301 form factor.

The 205/305 has the same software and the difference is that the 205 doesn't have an HRM nor the ability to add a cadence sensor.

You probably could swim with it on, but the waterproof rating is based on a pressure rating of 1 meter for 30 min. Flailing your arms swimming introduces more pressure to it than just sitting in the water. I've put my 305 under my swim cap a few times and plan on doing so in my OWS races as well. It is also worth mentioning that the 305 (no idea if this is the case with the 301) will not receive HR data while the chest strap is under water, so no HR data is saved during swimming. This is due to the transmission (2.4 Ghz, I think) cannot penetrate water.

2006-08-10 12:52 PM
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Subject: RE: Garmin 201, 301 or Garmin 205 or 305?
Chris,
When you say cadence sensor are you talking about a cadence sensor to measure the cadence on the bike?
2006-08-10 1:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Garmin 201, 301 or Garmin 205 or 305?
goran007 - 2006-08-10 12:52 PM

Chris,
When you say cadence sensor are you talking about a cadence sensor to measure the cadence on the bike?


Yes. It bolts onto your rear chainstay and has two magnetic sensors; one for the cadence (crank arm) and one for speed (rear wheel).

Click here to see it on Garmin's page.

2006-08-10 1:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Garmin 201, 301 or Garmin 205 or 305?
Don't know about other 201 users but mine loses its signal quite frequently. Despite that I am too cheap to buy the new one so I still use it! (I like when it says I am running 15 miles per hour, I had no idea! hahah)
I hear the 301/305 does not have as many issues (it is probably not as entertaining but a whole lot more accurate)
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