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2014-11-22 4:01 PM
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Origina You can do Sufferfest with Golden Cheetah on Mac. I have done this. Is there something special about Perfpro ? You basically have an Erg file for every Sufferfest video and it "suggests" a power level for each step. You are free to ride above or under that level.

I don't know, as PerfPro got recommended on ST.

Does Golden Cheetah 'control' the computrainer with the videos (i.e.; make the hard efforts hard)?

Or is the video more of a follow along thing?



2014-11-22 6:36 PM
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Fred, I don't really have much input on the man cave other than to say I agree with Marc about the audio.  Tab and I ride with two trainers at the same time and we sometimes have to crank the volume on the TV to sort of hear it.  I think if I was building a room, I would do something with a quality sound system - surround sound and the like.  You know, so when those online head to head racing apps get to the point where everyone is wearing a headset and if someone is behind you on your left and they talk, the sound comes from the speaker behind you on your left.  

2014-11-22 6:38 PM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by axteraa

Originally posted by Fred D

Hey, the Polar V800 is getting really cool with the latest updates!

Here is a swim from this am, where you can break down each set (the 300s, for example) and see what your times were for each 25.

Here:

Hmm, that IS pretty cool!  I assume you are hitting lap at the end of each interval and it's figuring out the 25s on it's own?

The 910xt does this as well. No need to press interval, the watches figure it out by itself. It can also detect changes in strokes.

Interesting.  I always thought you had to hit lap at the end of each repeat.

Marc as (I think) you posted in a thread earlier in the week, the swimmer in me still says "No watch!".   

2014-11-22 6:53 PM
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Originally posted by axteraa

Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by axteraa

Originally posted by Fred D

Hey, the Polar V800 is getting really cool with the latest updates!

Here is a swim from this am, where you can break down each set (the 300s, for example) and see what your times were for each 25.

Here:

Hmm, that IS pretty cool!  I assume you are hitting lap at the end of each interval and it's figuring out the 25s on it's own?

The 910xt does this as well. No need to press interval, the watches figure it out by itself. It can also detect changes in strokes.

Interesting.  I always thought you had to hit lap at the end of each repeat.

Marc as (I think) you posted in a thread earlier in the week, the swimmer in me still says "No watch!".   




Sorry you are right. You do have to hit the button at each end of interval but not at each flip turn to figure out speed per 25m (or 50 in LC)

The swimsense did not require it but was less accurate. Throw in a good glide and you could fool it.

I did a swim meet today. They politely told a guy he would be DQ'd in the future if he wore a watch (which he did). They were much nicer than the SOB who DQ'd me for shaking my arm.

The officials at this meet are much nicer. They even serve snacks. People walking around the deck with a plate of snacks. Very cool.
2014-11-22 7:07 PM
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Originally posted by Fred D

Origina You can do Sufferfest with Golden Cheetah on Mac. I have done this. Is there something special about Perfpro ? You basically have an Erg file for every Sufferfest video and it "suggests" a power level for each step. You are free to ride above or under that level.

I don't know, as PerfPro got recommended on ST.

Does Golden Cheetah 'control' the computrainer with the videos (i.e.; make the hard efforts hard)?

Or is the video more of a follow along thing?




So what would be perfect for you is to load an erg file for the little silver racer guy and you chase him. If you don;t hit his power targets, you get dropped. If you surpass his power targets you ride away.

For a sufferfest session, you probably want Golden Cheetah reading your powertap, and giving you power targets, that you decide to hit or surpass.
The CT is in slope mode, not in erg mode. You are not really using the benefit of a CT, but it's what you have

Is this right ?

2014-11-23 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by marcag  So what would be perfect for you is to load an erg file for the little silver racer guy and you chase him. If you don;t hit his power targets, you get dropped. If you surpass his power targets you ride away.

Agree. However, I am going to have a 65" UHDTV, and am seriously eyeballing the VeloReality site as well.

For a sufferfest session, you probably want Golden Cheetah reading your powertap, and giving you power targets, that you decide to hit or surpass. The CT is in slope mode, not in erg mode. You are not really using the benefit of a CT, but it's what you have Is this right ?

So, just to be clear, in Golden Cheetah, when I ride a file workout, will it send feedback to the CT to make the hard parts hard and easy parts easy (like ERG VIDEOS)?



2014-11-23 11:51 AM
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 Sorry you are right. You do have to hit the button at each end of interval but not at each flip turn to figure out speed per 25m (or 50 in LC) The swimsense did not require it but was less accurate. Throw in a good glide and you could fool it.l.

For the V800 you do not have to ever hit lap. I tend to do it at the start so I can see how long the interval took me, but the analysis afterwards is done automatically. I agree that it can get fooled, but I never hit the lap at the end of my last sessions intervals and it was ok.

2014-11-23 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by Fred D

Originally posted by marcag  So what would be perfect for you is to load an erg file for the little silver racer guy and you chase him. If you don;t hit his power targets, you get dropped. If you surpass his power targets you ride away.

Agree. However, I am going to have a 65" UHDTV, and am seriously eyeballing the VeloReality site as well.

For a sufferfest session, you probably want Golden Cheetah reading your powertap, and giving you power targets, that you decide to hit or surpass. The CT is in slope mode, not in erg mode. You are not really using the benefit of a CT, but it's what you have Is this right ?

So, just to be clear, in Golden Cheetah, when I ride a file workout, will it send feedback to the CT to make the hard parts hard and easy parts easy (like ERG VIDEOS)?




Yes, basically the CT is not being controlled or measured by any software, it's just like a dumb trainer.

GC is reading the powertap and providing Visual cues of what power you should be hitting and what you are currently at. At the end of workout, in GC, press upload to TP for Shane.

99% sure this will work. I can try this week.

I did take a peek at Veloreality and will install and try it. The only downside for you is the Windows part. While scenery is nice, I am not sure it provides that push that something life Sufferfest does,

If you really need to be chasing someone, you could play this on your 65inch screen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svNct734yPo


2014-11-23 12:37 PM
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Fred, a 65" tv for a man cave just seams a little over the top. Then again prospective so if you got a 15x20 basement. I just know I would not like to see my heart rate number that big. So a you getting a weight machine and treadmill?
2014-11-23 12:46 PM
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btw I did a little half mary out of the box this am. Probably should have gone a little slower. But, I didn't and ran a bunch of hills. The last hill was just pain.......

Anyway what's everyone else up to?
2014-11-23 1:16 PM
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Originally posted by BrotherTri Fred, a 65" tv for a man cave just seams a little over the top

No, not at all ;-)



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2014-11-23 1:17 PM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by Fred D

Originally posted by marcag  So what would be perfect for you is to load an erg file for the little silver racer guy and you chase him. If you don;t hit his power targets, you get dropped. If you surpass his power targets you ride away.

Agree. However, I am going to have a 65" UHDTV, and am seriously eyeballing the VeloReality site as well.

For a sufferfest session, you probably want Golden Cheetah reading your powertap, and giving you power targets, that you decide to hit or surpass. The CT is in slope mode, not in erg mode. You are not really using the benefit of a CT, but it's what you have Is this right ?

So, just to be clear, in Golden Cheetah, when I ride a file workout, will it send feedback to the CT to make the hard parts hard and easy parts easy (like ERG VIDEOS)?

Yes, basically the CT is not being controlled or measured by any software, it's just like a dumb trainer. GC is reading the powertap and providing Visual cues of what power you should be hitting and what you are currently at. At the end of workout, in GC, press upload to TP for Shane. 99% sure this will work. I can try this week. I did take a peek at Veloreality and will install and try it. The only downside for you is the Windows part. While scenery is nice, I am not sure it provides that push that something life Sufferfest does, If you really need to be chasing someone, you could play this on your 65inch screen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svNct734yPo

That's the key, CT control.

If the software can't control it, I don't really need it, as I will just use the Garmin 800 with the PT wheel.

The Veloreality and Tour de Giro do control the CT...

2014-11-23 1:50 PM
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Fred, I was checking out the tour de' Giro. That seamed pretty cool. I may just try it out. Not tommorrow hopefully I ride outside.
2014-11-23 4:20 PM
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I was wondering why this thread was showing up out of scale on my ipad....then I realized it was Fred's gigantic TV. Even a picture of that TV is overkill...lol
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