Saddles with a longer nose

The Profile Design Tri Stryke has a long nose and is well padded, I personally use it and switched *back* to it after a good try at adapting to Adamos, which don't work for me.

I don't know why you think the 4000 and Airfoil are close, they look pretty different to me:
Kestrel
4000Pro
4000LTD
47 467 397 63 567 509 int 75 79 yes
50 525 394 58 587 115 int 75 79
52.5 530 403 55 595 120 int 75 79
55 536 418 53 609 125 int 75 79
57.5 541 440 53 633 130 int 75 79
59.5 547 450 52 642 135 int 75 79
AirfoilPro
47 437 399 65 563 76 int 76 81 yes
50 466 409 64 579 105 int 76 80 yes
52 484 415 58 589 84 int 76 80
54 508 421 57 607 92 int 76 80
56 521 431 55 616 113 int 75 79
59 550 439 54 630 142 int 75 79

that's roughly 3cm different reach across similar sizings, and the angle of course changes depending on seat position. Assuming you have the seat angle the same, the fit is going to be very different between these two bikes.

It was more the reach I was looking at when I got the 4000. The Airfoil actually has really low stack, and me using spacers under the stem I could go for more stack and not have it be a problem. The 56 Airfoil has a reach of 43.1 and came with a 110 mm stem in 2010, later models went to a 100mm stem. The 57.5 has a reach of 44 and also has a 110mm stem to which I changed to 100mm. Essentially that brought the reach of the two when you account for the stem, to almost the same (0.1 difference).

Stack on the other hand the 4000 has 2cm more stack, but I was running probably 1.5 cm of spacers under my stem of the Airfoil anyway, so that's why I say the fit is similar, other than the fact I could get the Airfoil's seat past the bb if I wanted to, and the 4000 doesn't even come close even though they have the same advertised seat angle range.

I also realize the higher you raise the seat the farther behind the bb it will end up, but in all actuality regardless of frame size, if the angle is in fact the same, like it is advertised, the seat would be in the same location. Bottom line, when I measured the seat angle of the 4000 with my tools, I came up with a lot less of an angle than what's advertised.

Which again is why I don't understand why stack and reach is the almighty standard. Everyone always says all you need is your stack and reach to determine what size you need and It's never made sense to me, even when I was new. Yes I realize it gives numbers that can be compared frame to frame, but it does not take into account seat angle, unless I missed that part.

I was able to get everything setup exactly the same, except for anything that involved how far the seat nose was from behind the bb.


Edited by cstoulil 2014-09-12 1:24 PM