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2014-09-18 10:51 PM
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That is so cool. What a guy. Impossible not to like him.



2014-09-19 1:13 AM
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Yeah. I did realize that the rules changed. I just think it is a bit strange to not count previous a attempts on what would now be a legal bike.

Maybe part if me just wants Merckx's bike to be the standard because it would be easier to compare. I'm all for advances in cycling, trust me I use the stuff but it's the hour. Anyway Jens and Merckx are both awesome cyclists that won't be forgotten.

And I'm all for the biological passport rule but it's a bit sad that no one is going to be able to come out of the woodwork to beat it now.

Now get off my lawn.
2014-09-19 9:38 AM
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Originally posted by Jason N

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by jeng

It was awesome for sure, but I'm not exactly sure why it is a record. There are a few recorded distances over 51.115.

I need someone to explain that to me as well....and apparently the record he broke was on a bike with drop bars and no disc?

Rule changes.  There was a time when the hour record didn't have any restrictions, and guys were doing some crazy stuff (superman position) in order to break the record.  So the UCI changed the rules to prevent it from being a contest of who can be the most aero as compared to who can simply ride their bike the fastest.  So all those records that were not done with UCI rules at the time were dropped.

Fast forward to May 2014 and the UCI changed their rules to allow the use of modern pursuit bikes, but they still need to be UCI legal pursuit bikes.  I don't know this for sure, but my guess is that they can't back track and know for sure if all or any of the previous attempts over 49.7 km were following the UCI pursuit bike rules since they weren't checking for them to begin with.  Tough luck so to speak.

Make no mistake...Jens is very aware that this record isn't much more than bringing publicity to the sport, a nice farewell, and stamping his name in the history book before someone else has the chance to SMASH his record.  If Martin or Wiggo takes a legit crack at it...expect closer to 53.5-54.5 km.  Really no different than the gap you would expect between them and a 43 year old Jens in a 50-55 km TT during a road race.  Especially when you consider a guy like Wiggo comes from a track background.

If you want to see what was going on at the time watch The Flying Scotsman (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472268/).  Graeme Obree was all kinds of effed up in his head but was a monster on the bike and it also shows what was going on with UCI and the bikes at the time too.  

2014-09-19 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by crowny2

Originally posted by Jason N

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by jeng

It was awesome for sure, but I'm not exactly sure why it is a record. There are a few recorded distances over 51.115.

I need someone to explain that to me as well....and apparently the record he broke was on a bike with drop bars and no disc?

Rule changes.  There was a time when the hour record didn't have any restrictions, and guys were doing some crazy stuff (superman position) in order to break the record.  So the UCI changed the rules to prevent it from being a contest of who can be the most aero as compared to who can simply ride their bike the fastest.  So all those records that were not done with UCI rules at the time were dropped.

Fast forward to May 2014 and the UCI changed their rules to allow the use of modern pursuit bikes, but they still need to be UCI legal pursuit bikes.  I don't know this for sure, but my guess is that they can't back track and know for sure if all or any of the previous attempts over 49.7 km were following the UCI pursuit bike rules since they weren't checking for them to begin with.  Tough luck so to speak.

Make no mistake...Jens is very aware that this record isn't much more than bringing publicity to the sport, a nice farewell, and stamping his name in the history book before someone else has the chance to SMASH his record.  If Martin or Wiggo takes a legit crack at it...expect closer to 53.5-54.5 km.  Really no different than the gap you would expect between them and a 43 year old Jens in a 50-55 km TT during a road race.  Especially when you consider a guy like Wiggo comes from a track background.

If you want to see what was going on at the time watch The Flying Scotsman (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472268/).  Graeme Obree was all kinds of effed up in his head but was a monster on the bike and it also shows what was going on with UCI and the bikes at the time too.  




I caught that movie on HBO or something back in June so I was a little familiar with what had gone on it was interesting and now to see the "New Record" set makes it a little more exciting for me.
2014-09-19 10:59 AM
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2014-09-19 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Jason N

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by jeng

It was awesome for sure, but I'm not exactly sure why it is a record. There are a few recorded distances over 51.115.

I need someone to explain that to me as well....and apparently the record he broke was on a bike with drop bars and no disc?

Rule changes.  There was a time when the hour record didn't have any restrictions, and guys were doing some crazy stuff (superman position) in order to break the record.  So the UCI changed the rules to prevent it from being a contest of who can be the most aero as compared to who can simply ride their bike the fastest.  So all those records that were not done with UCI rules at the time were dropped.

Fast forward to May 2014 and the UCI changed their rules to allow the use of modern pursuit bikes, but they still need to be UCI legal pursuit bikes.  I don't know this for sure, but my guess is that they can't back track and know for sure if all or any of the previous attempts over 49.7 km were following the UCI pursuit bike rules since they weren't checking for them to begin with.  Tough luck so to speak.

Make no mistake...Jens is very aware that this record isn't much more than bringing publicity to the sport, a nice farewell, and stamping his name in the history book before someone else has the chance to SMASH his record.  If Martin or Wiggo takes a legit crack at it...expect closer to 53.5-54.5 km.  Really no different than the gap you would expect between them and a 43 year old Jens in a 50-55 km TT during a road race.  Especially when you consider a guy like Wiggo comes from a track background.

Here's my understanding, I think all those records were set with the UCI rules at the time. Then they changed the rules to not allow those things so they back tracked and reset it to Merkcx record. Now they've changed the rules again, but Merkcx held the record, so that's the one he had to beat. It just seems a bit wrong. Let's go back to Merkcx or allow everything.



2014-09-19 12:16 PM
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Here's a good blog, I think. 

http://horsdelais.blogspot.ca/2014/09/reflections-on-jens-voigts-hour-record.html

GREAT BLOG!  Thanks for the link.

2014-10-30 2:31 PM
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That didn't last long.

2014-10-30 2:37 PM
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Jens figured it wouldn't

2014-11-04 11:25 AM
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Now it looks like Bradley Wiggens is going to attempt it next summer possibly. He could be someone that could hang onto the record for a while.
2014-11-04 11:45 AM
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Tony Martin and Cancellara have also stated interest.  will be interesting to see who ends up holding on to it.



2014-11-05 4:05 PM
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Speaking of the hour record, I saw this film 

http://www.viff.org/festival/films/f12263-marinoni

at VIFF this year and it was awesome. I highly recommend it to anyone, not just those interested in cycling.



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