Parallel Realities & god (Page 2)

see i'm not so big on the virgins thing, they are kind of one time use right? and you spend eternity there. No sir, give me 12 of your finest prostitutes.

And goats......you're gonna get hungry.

What do the female jihadist's get?  Is it clearly stated in the fine print that the virgins are male for the females?  Do they get to choose?  

I've been away for a while.  

Statistically, with a fair coin, you'll get an equal number of heads and tails regardless of the number of times you flip it.  

But

When the first flip comes up heads, you immediately eliminate 50% of the probable outcomes (those that start the sequence with tails).  Those sequences will NOT happen no matter what.  

Now could there be an infinite number of people flipping coins?  Sure, but even then, as soon as you toss heads, the possibility of everyone flipping tails vanishes.  Thus the infinite number of possibilities ceases to exist.  

I have identical twins (now 21).  When we brought them home from the hospital, I had people ask if I was worried about getting them mixed up.  No, I didn't worry about it.  Are you who you were born as or the accumulation of your experiences since birth or a combination of both?  I sit in the camp that each of us is the accumulation of our experiences, and so when I order make coffee, I become distinct from the parallel person who ordered tea.  

I could have done without reading what the morons in N. Dakota did. LOL  Serously, one of the main concerns with yoga pants and skinny jeans is distracting teachers??  They actually said that?  You just can't make this stuff up. 

This thread has been a good read, and it's refreshing to see it stay very civil.

Originally posted by Porfirio I have a 3-yr-old & have been prepping to give him all option available to him in life. So, in an attempt to better understand why "god" continues to remain so popular in this day in age (disclaimer: I am an atheist & majored in philosophy ), I have been reading a lot of physics & parallel universes. Is anyone familiar w/the stuff? One example: The consequences of the laws of probability: Flip a coin 100 times & you'll get heads 50 times & tails 50 times. Flip it 200 & you'll get 100/100. 300 times, 150/150 & so on... forever. If the universe is infinite (forever) as some physicists believe, then like the coin toss, all probable outcomes that can happen will happen. So, as said before, there's someone out in the vast universe that's a copy of "you" but who ordered a tea rather than the cup of coffee "you" are drinking right now. But notice, like an infinite coin toss, all probable outcomes will happen and will CONTINUE to happen. Therefore, it follows there there must be many copies of "you", indeed, an infinite amount, throughout the universe reading this post at this very moment. And we're not even talking about the parallel universes that result from the strange behavior at the quantum level. Then, there is this idea of something from nothing where the idea of "nothing" is something very different that in fact continues to follow the falls of physics such that, while I haven't fully grasped the in/out yet, based on the laws of relativity & quantum mechanics, you WILL get something from nothing.

I apologize for not responding to this earlier.  I need to poke my nose in a little more often. 

One thing I always tell people is that religion is nothing more than mans attempt to connect with God as they see him.  So, it can be a little tricky when it comes to exposing your kids to various religions.  Even within the Christian faith you can go into a Catholic church where it's very formal with a lot of ritual type stuff or you can go to my church where we've got people ripping on the electric guitar and drums during worship and our pastor wears Under Armor shorts and flip flops during the sermon.

So, I'm more of the opinion when it comes to learning about religions that you need to go to the source such as reading the Bible for Christianity.  Same for other religions because people have their slant when they teach people about things no matter what it is.

BTW, I love that you're open to teaching your son about having an open mind and being his own person.  I wish more people would do this because there's so much "brainwashing" going on inside and outside of religious homes where parents push their beliefs onto their kids.  I'm a strong believer when it comes to my faith, but I have always encouraged all three of my kids to make their own decisions and believe in what they want versus what they think I want them to.  My oldest son (19) considers himself an Agnostic, but he's one of the most educated Agnostics I know when it comes to science and religion. We have a lot of very fun and deep discussions on science and religion where we challenge each other.  As a young adult I am very confident in his ability to think critically when approached by some sidewalk profit or the misguided professor.

Sounds like they need to come up with a better way to communicate their dress code to the kids.

Pretty much every school has a dress code and I don't think they allow yoga pants or tights to be worn at my kids' school.  However, it seems like the whole Pretty Woman thing is just weird.

Just for giggles I looked up the dress code at my kids' school and there's a lot of stuff in there they can't wear.  They can't even wear hats. lolHere's the section about revealing clothes that I believe the yoga pants and such get rolled into:
Any clothing found to be revealing and/or disruptive to the educational process is not to be worn in the building. Examples include, spaghetti straps, bare backs or shoulders, halter-tops, tube tops, etc. Any shirt or blouse worn to school should completely cover the back, front, and stomach. The garment should also have sleeves that cover the shoulders on both sides
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Shirt straps must be approximately 2 inches wide or wider. Excessively short skirts and shorts are not permitted. Skirts and shorts should be fingertip length  or longer when arms are fully extended at the sides.

They're in a pretty good sized High School with almost 3000 kids.

JMK, do you feel that schools shouldn't have dress codes at all and the kids be able to wear whatever they want because it's the 21st century?

From what I see, the kids (at the high school level) are pretty good about policing themselves when it comes to stuff like this.  It's usually better if the "adults" just stay out of it.  The kids spend a lot of time together in all sorts of situations and at all kinds of places.......pools, parties, blah,blah,blah.....how they dress at school isn't nearly the problem that "adults" think it is IMO.

If you think about it, it's NEVER a kid who comes to the school and says it's a problem, it's some wacked out parent who sees a kid wearing something they don't agree with who makes an issue out of it.  Dumb.

I get that, but I also think there need to be some sort of rules in a place that's meant to educate kids from all different backgrounds.  If some boy decides to wear a thong bathing suit to school to be funny and cause a scene I think the administrators should be able to have rules against it.

Meh.....you can address that without a dress code.  There are already rules against disruptive behavior.  That fits.  Again, you let the kids decide what is disruptive....and it won't be hard to tell.  This idea of prohibiting certain kinds of clothing because some adult thinks it may be disruptive is just stupid.  You deal with the behavior, not the clothing.  Schools have had that wrong for a long time.....which is why they sometimes get jammed up in court over prohibiting things that aren't actually causing problems.

Give the kids some credit.......they aren't nearly as goofy as some of the parents.

For the record, I don't think I'm that far away from you on this and am mostly playing devils advocate.

I think the interesting issue is what defines "sexually explicit" can be vastly different to many people.  For example as discussed above in some cultures women need to be completely covered and for others a string bikini isn't considered sexually explicit.
Dress is such a subjective thing that no matter where the standards are there will be people that think they're not far enough and others that think they're too far.  I do agree that the dress code effects girls far more than boys, but I think it's more because of where the fashion for each sex is more than it is a blatant discrimination against girls.   Boys rarely ware anything more risque than T-shirts and I don't recall seeing too many boys wearing plunging V-neck T-shirts or short shorts on the High School campus.  I do know the boys are effected by the tank top and hat ban more than girls.

This thread has definitely taken an interesting turn from the initial post.  WWJD regarding dress code?  

I'm in agreement there are different opinions regarding what is suggestive and what is not however IMO having no dress code, letting 14-18 year old kids police themselves wouldn't work or it would already be the norm in schools... For example if there was no dress code, how do the kids deal with egregious dress without it turning into bullying?  

Kids have enough stress about acceptance, the last thing I'd want to worry about is my daughter dressing in extreme short shorts/skirts because "all the girls at school wear them" and she felt she'd get teased if she didn't.  What about the fat kids, they've already got a lot on their plate (no pun intended), not being able to wear the short shorts, or maybe worse actually wearing them opens the kid up to a lot...

Schools that have uniform policies actually achieve two things with their policy.  First, it level sets things as nothing separates a kid from their peers quicker than their wardrobe.... I still remember one of the "burns" kids would use in my high school way back when.... "hey, I used to have a pair of shoes (or jeans, sweater, shirt whatever) like that until my dad got a job."  The second thing uniforms achieve is control over extremism with clothing.  We can argue all day long about rules and what is suggestive to one person and is acceptable to another, and how it's biased towards girls etc., however it's a fact that in reality a girl wearing a skirt that barely if at all covers her butt cheeks will generate a lot of attention,emotions, hormones etc... Conversely if a guy wears short shorts he will generate little more than ridicule.... 

I couldn't tell you what the dress code is for the high school my kids attend, or even if there is one (I assume there is, right?).  I know when I drop myt kids off at school there are kids wearing all manner of clothes, including yoga pants (one of my daughters lives in them), tank tops (my son will wear his running tanks to school when it's hot), flip flop shoes, shorts of all manners, and I've seen girls with short shirts and skirts,  and blah,blah,blah.  It's never been part of a discussion at our house and I've never heard my kids discussing what they wear to school, so I don't worry about it.

As for your last comment......there is at least one openly gay boy in their school who dresses in a way that I probably would have made great fun oif when I was a stupid kid...... my kids and their friends say, "eh, that's just XXXX, he likes to dress like that".

We live in a pretty conservative part of town.....my guess is that the culture of dressing at their school just kind of morphed into what it is.....and nobody cares. It doesn't cause problems.

But it's a good thing to learn how to do.....yeah? 

How about we just teach our kids to use their good sense.......I'm up for that, and they can handle it just fine.

I have mixed feelings on the "temptation" stuff.  I'm mostly with you LB in that people need to learn to control themselves and have good sense in how they dress.

However, as you know I work with a lot of men (young and old) who struggle with sexual addiction issues and they have a lot less problems in the winter when everybody is bundled up (here in Nebraska anyways).  I ran a 12 steps group for several years and it's amazing what kind of addiction spiral I've seen people go down that was started as a reaction to "some scantily clad lady I saw at the mall" or whatever.

I in no way shape or form am suggesting that a woman wearing revealing clothing is responsible for anything that anybody does or thinks, so don't read me wrong.  I just know that clothing does effect how some people react and sometimes the reactions aren't always positive.

Bro - as you said, they don't have sexual addiction problems because of what women wear.  How you react to what I wear is your damn problem, not mine....and kids need to be taught that (it's not hard to teach kids.....it's REALLY hard to get stupid ideas out of their heads once they become adults). 

This idea that "someone did this so it caused me to do that" is wrong......you know that, and it causes unwarranted blame and shame.  You teach children to be responsible for their own thoughts and actions, and you guide them down a path that leads to them coming up with responsible and decent thoughts and actions. 

The teacher who "gets distracted" because some teenage girl wears yoga pants to his/her class needs to be fired.....THAT'S the improper behavior.

way to victim-blame!