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 2014-10-16 8:09 PM in reply to: Donto |
 48  Los Angeles, California |  Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly?Great thread! thanks Donto! I run mostly on a threadmill during the week so was looking for a shortcut since I'm not sure how you give it all you got on a threadmill. but after reading the thread you suggested I see how LT method can be a much less abstract and much more meaningful method to use. I guess I now have something to do on the weekend  |
| 2014-10-16 8:14 PM in reply to: 0 |
New user 140 Sanford, Florida | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? I have done that test a while ago (2 months) on my bike. My average heart rate was 154, but how do I translate that into my zones? (I know I'm a bit dumb sometimes) Edited by Martine1975 2014-10-16 8:42 PM |
| 2014-10-16 9:01 PM in reply to: #5060025 |
New user 140 Sanford, Florida | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? But actually, never mind, cause I'm completely comfortable with my current zones. I always feel it when I go past 128 and also I feel it when I go past 145. To prevent fatigue and lactate build up its best for me to stay under 136. |
| 2014-10-17 7:58 AM in reply to: Martine1975 |
1159 | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Originally posted by Martine1975 I have done that test a while ago (2 months) on my bike. My average heart rate was 154, but how do I translate that into my zones? (I know I'm a bit dumb sometimes) you probably need to find someone around where you live who can do the HR zone establishment - and it may be different for running and cycling when it comes to setting your zones either way, if you only stick to Z1/Z2 you aren't going to see any improvements over time - you may need to slowly push into Z3, then recover - do this slowly and you'll find it improvement - sounds like you tried to do too much too soon - those HIIT workouts kick my , and I just did an Ironman - so if you are undertrained, you could have serious effects. I wouldn't just lay at home on the couch recovering - walk slowly, do some yoga - anything to gets the blood flowing |
| 2014-10-17 8:49 AM in reply to: Martine1975 |
Pro 6582  Melbourne FL Gold member | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Originally posted by Martine1975 But actually, never mind, cause I'm completely comfortable with my current zones. I always feel it when I go past 128 and also I feel it when I go past 145. To prevent fatigue and lactate build up its best for me to stay under 136. BT has a nifty HR Zone calculator for all the different methods: Profile/Settings/Training log settings/HR zone manager/ click on the 'add new HR zone' button upper right/select sport.Your RPE is lined up well with LT clac'd zones as your biking LT zones based on a 154 avg would be: Z1 101 - 127 Z2 127 - 137 Z3 138 - 144 Z4 145 - 153
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| 2014-10-17 8:58 AM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Originally posted by Donto Originally posted by Martine1975 But actually, never mind, cause I'm completely comfortable with my current zones. I always feel it when I go past 128 and also I feel it when I go past 145. To prevent fatigue and lactate build up its best for me to stay under 136. BT has a nifty HR Zone calculator for all the different methods: Profile/Settings/Training log settings/HR zone manager/ click on the 'add new HR zone' button upper right/select sport.Your RPE is lined up well with LT clac'd zones as your biking LT zones based on a 154 avg would be: Z1 101 - 127 Z2 127 - 137 Z3 138 - 144 Z4 145 - 153
Compare that with the zones she calculated based off her age: Zone 1: 91-109 That's why 220-age is not very good. My effort is really high when my HR is 180. Martine will likely never be able to get her HR up to 180. Also 163-181 has way to much variation to fit the definition of what zone 5 is. All of the zones have way too much variation. It's such a bad system.
Edited by msteiner 2014-10-17 8:58 AM |
is a better method for calculating your training paces.| 2014-10-17 10:34 AM in reply to: msteiner |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Originally posted by msteiner Originally posted by Donto Originally posted by Martine1975 But actually, never mind, cause I'm completely comfortable with my current zones. I always feel it when I go past 128 and also I feel it when I go past 145. To prevent fatigue and lactate build up its best for me to stay under 136. BT has a nifty HR Zone calculator for all the different methods: Profile/Settings/Training log settings/HR zone manager/ click on the 'add new HR zone' button upper right/select sport.Your RPE is lined up well with LT clac'd zones as your biking LT zones based on a 154 avg would be: Z1 101 - 127 Z2 127 - 137 Z3 138 - 144 Z4 145 - 153
Compare that with the zones she calculated based off her age: Zone 1: 91-109 That's why 220-age is not very good. My effort is really high when my HR is 180. Martine will likely never be able to get her HR up to 180. Also 163-181 has way to much variation to fit the definition of what zone 5 is. All of the zones have way too much variation. It's such a bad system.
Bringing up pace is a good idea as it is also a good system. However, would recommend reading some more about both the positives and drawbacks to each system as neither is better than the other in all situations. Something that Daniels (among others) does touch on. |
| 2014-10-17 11:09 AM in reply to: 0 |
| 538 Brooklyn, New York | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Originally posted by msteiner Originally posted by Donto Originally posted by Martine1975 But actually, never mind, cause I'm completely comfortable with my current zones. I always feel it when I go past 128 and also I feel it when I go past 145. To prevent fatigue and lactate build up its best for me to stay under 136. BT has a nifty HR Zone calculator for all the different methods: Profile/Settings/Training log settings/HR zone manager/ click on the 'add new HR zone' button upper right/select sport.Your RPE is lined up well with LT clac'd zones as your biking LT zones based on a 154 avg would be: Z1 101 - 127 Z2 127 - 137 Z3 138 - 144 Z4 145 - 153
Compare that with the zones she calculated based off her age: Zone 1: 91-109 That's why 220-age is not very good. My effort is really high when my HR is 180. Martine will likely never be able to get her HR up to 180. Also 163-181 has way to much variation to fit the definition of what zone 5 is. All of the zones have way too much variation. It's such a bad system.
Daniels' VDOT training paces have skyrocketed my progress making each designed session well planned - otherwise I'd always go too hard and end up in Zone 5. I am a very anaerobic all-out sprinter mentality. When you get VDOT paces AND HR to really line up appropriately I feel like things have come together quite well, and I attribute Daniel's Running Formula for much of it Without a real accurate barometer of one's Max HR, it's hard to rely on the validity/accuracy of training in HR zones Edited by TJHammer 2014-10-17 11:15 AM |
| 2014-10-17 11:25 AM in reply to: TJHammer |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? I'll just echo that VDOT paces for the appropriate workouts also resulted in the largest gains I have experienced. Without it I was running the easy stuff too hard and the hard stuff too easy. This also messed up my mix of easy/hard and over the long term compromised my durability. |
| 2014-10-17 11:38 AM in reply to: TJHammer |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Originally posted by TJHammer Daniels' VDOT training paces have skyrocketed my progress making each designed session well planned - otherwise I'd always go too hard and end up in Zone 5. I am a very anaerobic all-out sprinter mentality. When you get VDOT paces AND HR to really line up appropriately I feel like things have come together quite well, and I attribute Daniel's Running Formula for much of it Without a real accurate barometer of one's Max HR, it's hard to rely on the validity/accuracy of training in HR zones That's where I've had the most success as well, when I could utilize the strengths from each in various situations. |
| 2014-10-17 1:30 PM in reply to: 0 |
| 48 Los Angeles, California | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? ran HM recently with half effort and ever since was wondering what I could actually achieve at full speed.. usinig my regular workout runs with VDOT table I managed to reverse engeneer it to get a number would be fun now to actually run a half all out and see if I get in the ballpark the number I got...Edited by woosh 2014-10-17 1:30 PM |
| 2014-10-17 2:00 PM in reply to: TJHammer |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Originally posted by TJHammer Without a real accurate barometer of one's Max HR, it's hard to rely on the validity/accuracy of training in HR zones I have no idea what my max HR is and have no intention of ever finding out. HR zones have worked fine for me in the past. On the bike and the run. I prefer power and pace (and RPE) now, but disagree that HR can't be used well for either sport. |
| 2014-10-17 3:06 PM in reply to: #5060025 |
New user 140 Sanford, Florida | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Thank you so much guys! I'll adjust my zones in the BT workout logger and also in my watch. This doesn't mean I'm going to push anything though. |
| 2014-10-17 3:42 PM in reply to: #5060949 |
New user 140 Sanford, Florida | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Nowwwwww.....it also makes way more sense to me that in the first year of triathlon you're supposed to mainly be in zone 1 and 2 (according to this website) |
| 2014-10-17 3:57 PM in reply to: Martine1975 |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL Gold member | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Originally posted by Martine1975 Nowwwwww.....it also makes way more sense to me that in the first year of triathlon you're supposed to mainly be in zone 1 and 2 (according to this website) And remember that running and biking zones are not the same. When you are able (if not already) you will need to do the field test for running too. Enjoy, its been great following your posts! |
| 2014-10-17 4:26 PM in reply to: Martine1975 |
| 1159 | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Originally posted by Martine1975 Nowwwwww.....it also makes way more sense to me that in the first year of triathlon you're supposed to mainly be in zone 1 and 2 (according to this website) The BT website? |
| 2014-10-17 5:33 PM in reply to: JohnnyKay |
| 538 Brooklyn, New York | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Originally posted by JohnnyKay Originally posted by TJHammer Without a real accurate barometer of one's Max HR, it's hard to rely on the validity/accuracy of training in HR zones I have no idea what my max HR is and have no intention of ever finding out. HR zones have worked fine for me in the past. On the bike and the run. I prefer power and pace (and RPE) now, but disagree that HR can't be used well for either sport. What are your personal zones based on? We both agree that HR CAN be used well for either run/bike, but too many people go off of 220-age or just "wing it" - I was always a "feel" kind of guy, but accurate zone #s have dialed me in and fine tuned my workouts. But they have to be based off SOMETHING no? (The new formula - actual HR max test etc?) You agree with that? |
| 2014-10-17 5:38 PM in reply to: TJHammer |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Originally posted by TJHammer Originally posted by JohnnyKay Originally posted by TJHammer Without a real accurate barometer of one's Max HR, it's hard to rely on the validity/accuracy of training in HR zones I have no idea what my max HR is and have no intention of ever finding out. HR zones have worked fine for me in the past. On the bike and the run. I prefer power and pace (and RPE) now, but disagree that HR can't be used well for either sport. What are your personal zones based on? We both agree that HR CAN be used well for either run/bike, but too many people go off of 220-age or just "wing it" - I was always a "feel" kind of guy, but accurate zone #s have dialed me in and fine tuned my workouts. But they have to be based off SOMETHING no? (The new formula - actual HR max test etc?) You agree with that? IMO, Lactate Threshold HR is probably the best way to set HR zones. |
| 2014-10-17 5:44 PM in reply to: marcag |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: In what zone do you train mostly? Originally posted by marcag IMO, Lactate Threshold HR is probably the best way to set HR zones. Agreed. MaxHR, regardless of whether it was determined using a formula or a test, is not very useful too determine training zones. Shane |
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