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 2014-11-04 9:52 AM |
Extreme Veteran  1148    Nisbet, PA |  Subject: Super-Clydes and runningI have returned to training but have one glaring trouble spot, the run/walk. It is undoubtedly my greatest weakness. It's not like I'm a threat to anybody's podium chances. My swim is around 2:15 per 100 and I'm just now doing a 1000 yd workout. And my bike usually averages around 13.5-14 mph for the 13.5 mile course that I ride most often. Both of those will improve over time and with weight loss, so I'm really not worried about them. Besides, neither one of them is as punishing as running. In my own case, I consider myself to be about 150 lbs above my goal weight. My Marine Corps weight was 220 lbs and I am currently 372 lbs. I am also 56 yrs old and have been told by my orthopedist that I have "well-developed" arthritis in my knees. He recommends that if I have any goals that require running to get them in sooner rather than later because he doesn't know how long my knees will last. Moving my bulk at anything over 3.75 mph requires me to jog/trot. To say that this is jarring is a rather large understatement. I used the word punishing earlier on purpose. If I attempt anything faster than that I can feel the slamming in my knees and ankles. To say that I can feel jiggling is also a severe understatement. Picture the Baywatch girls running, except EVERYTHING is bouncing like that. It honestly makes my muscles sore form the bouncing. I'd like to know when other Supers have been able to successfully start a legitimate running program. I'm hoping to start the Treadmill C25k with the New Year, but really only expect to be around 350 by then. Hopefully, with that added exercise I will break 300 before my first race on May 10th. |
| 2014-11-04 12:14 PM in reply to: leatherneckpa |
Veteran 320 Edmonton, AB | Subject: RE: Super-Clydes and running Love hearing your story and your goals! The number 1 thing I would recommend is getting a pair of Hoka One One shoes. They've made a HUGE difference in my life for sure. As far as running style I would highly recommend looking into Chi Running. It's a lot less jarring and would be a great place for you to start. Another suggestion I'd heard was to not discount weights. If you don't have the supporting musculature you may actually harm yourself by running. Start slow and build from there. GOOD LUCK! |
| 2014-11-04 2:12 PM in reply to: Fatboy32 |
Champion 6993  Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Super-Clydes and running Early this year I was at about 350. I started out simple by walking. I trained for my marathon at 300 lbs simply by walking and build up my walking speed and endurance. I did not start running until I did my first marathon where I did a walk/run. All my training for that marathon was walking fast. I second chi running. Good form is key. I am still younger (39) but I always had the weight. Never really had any knee issues in the last 10 year with 22 marathons. |
| 2014-11-04 7:35 PM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 1148 Nisbet, PA | Subject: RE: Super-Clydes and running Originally posted by Fatboy32 Love hearing your story and your goals! The number 1 thing I would recommend is getting a pair of Hoka One One shoes. They've made a HUGE difference in my life for sure. As far as running style I would highly recommend looking into Chi Running. It's a lot less jarring and would be a great place for you to start. Another suggestion I'd heard was to not discount weights. If you don't have the supporting musculature you may actually harm yourself by running. Start slow and build from there. GOOD LUCK! Colin, I was just at a really good shoe store (one hour drive) specifically to try the Hokas after reading your earlier thread. The manager is a certified PT assistant with 6 yrs in orthopedics and gait management. She recommended against them in my case because my feet are too wide for the platform. She was pretty sure I would blow out the instep of the shoes long before I wore out the soles. I've pulled a couple of pages on Chi running to check out after this. Just waiting for a little extra money so I can get a gold membership and use the custom plan creator. Talked to wife tonight about getting up at 0500 so I can start two-a-days, swim in the morning and something else in the afternoon. Strength training will be on the agenda. My hope is to have at least 5 swims a week, 2 rides, 2 treadmills, and 2 strength days The wife thinks I am crazy.. Edited by leatherneckpa 2014-11-04 7:37 PM |
| 2014-11-04 8:01 PM in reply to: chirunner134 |
Extreme Veteran 1148 Nisbet, PA | Subject: RE: Super-Clydes and running Originally posted by chirunner134 Early this year I was at about 350. I started out simple by walking. I trained for my marathon at 300 lbs simply by walking and build up my walking speed and endurance. I did not start running until I did my first marathon where I did a walk/run. All my training for that marathon was walking fast. I second chi running. Good form is key. I am still younger (39) but I always had the weight. Never really had any knee issues in the last 10 year with 22 marathons. chirunner, It's great to hear from you and Colin, folks who have been where I am, and gone where I want to go. I'm hoping that the treadmill will reduce the impact enough for me to start C25k. I was doing C25k last year before I got injured. I know there is nothing in the rulebook that says I can't walk during a tri, but I really want to be able to trot most of it. I need, for my own mindset, to be able to do my 5k in 36 mins or less. |
| 2014-11-04 8:05 PM in reply to: leatherneckpa |
Extreme Veteran 1148 Nisbet, PA | Subject: RE: Super-Clydes and running 12AP for tonight, 66AP for the week, with a goal of 50AP Swam laps, lost count on my distance set, again. This was supposed to be 1050 yards. 4x50, 2x100, 1x300, 2x100, 4x50 = 1100 yds Big question ,,,,, do I reset to 60AP or stay at 50AP for this week. Bear in mind, that 10k on Sunday was a fluke, not planned. |
| 2014-11-05 8:21 AM in reply to: leatherneckpa |
| 788 Across the river from Memphis, Tennessee | Subject: RE: Super-Clydes and running Originally posted by leatherneckpa I know there is nothing in the rulebook that says I can't walk during a tri, but I really want to be able to trot most of it. I need, for my own mindset, to be able to do my 5k in 36 mins or less. This resonates with me because I was not able to make a complete run in either of the sprints I ran this year. I was nursing an injury in May, and my run training was lacking in Sept so I intentionally burned out on the bike to 1) see what I could pull off on hills, and 2) gain a few extra minutes. I'm also in the process of looking for new shoes since I can tell my Brooks have gone flat. I may have been a finisher, and I accomplished a great deal last year... but I kind of feel like I cheated by walking... |
| 2014-11-05 9:27 AM in reply to: WebFootFreak |
Champion 6993 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Super-Clydes and running Originally posted by WebFootFreak Originally posted by leatherneckpa I know there is nothing in the rulebook that says I can't walk during a tri, but I really want to be able to trot most of it. I need, for my own mindset, to be able to do my 5k in 36 mins or less. This resonates with me because I was not able to make a complete run in either of the sprints I ran this year. I was nursing an injury in May, and my run training was lacking in Sept so I intentionally burned out on the bike to 1) see what I could pull off on hills, and 2) gain a few extra minutes. I'm also in the process of looking for new shoes since I can tell my Brooks have gone flat. I may have been a finisher, and I accomplished a great deal last year... but I kind of feel like I cheated by walking... Walking is cheating I then cheat in probably every race I ever did but about 1 or 2 marathons and maybe a couple of sprints  Goal of a triathlon is to finish and finish as fast as possible. Reason why I like chirunning is goal is more about relaxing and ensure your bodies out of the way rather than muscle through it. Another reason I like to wear a HR Monitor. Your pace is not always a good indicator on how hard you are working. For me its more about giving your all then the finish time. |
| 2014-11-06 8:39 AM in reply to: chirunner134 |
| 788 Across the river from Memphis, Tennessee | Subject: RE: Super-Clydes and running Originally posted by chirunner134 Walking is cheating I then cheat in probably every race I ever did but about 1 or 2 marathons and maybe a couple of sprints Goal of a triathlon is to finish and finish as fast as possible. LOL! Oh, I agree completely. It's just that in my own mind I can't come to grips that I didn't run the distance. More of a cheating myself than cheating at the event type of thing. PRs should be easy to set in both races if I can simply run the distance after the bike *shrug*. Of course I plan on improving in the water, and decimating my bike times as well... hehehehe |
| 2014-11-11 7:02 AM in reply to: #5065204 |
| 9 | Subject: RE: Super-Clydes and running I started sprint tri's this year at around 280 and I struggle withthe run as well. after my 4th and last sprint of this year I still walk/jogged the 5k. I'm down to about 269 but my off season goal is to drop20lbs and see where that takes me on my run. Didn't help in my last race that my cell phone monitoring HR and speed fell off and I slammed on the brakes to get it and forgot to unclip and down I went. LOL |
| 2014-12-30 11:05 AM in reply to: leatherneckpa |
| 5 | Subject: RE: Super-Clydes and running I started at 420 #'s and started running using the Brooks Beasts. In the past I have had terrible issues with twisting my ankles and I made sure I modified my running with a "barefoot" runners step. In the past I have had a much harder heel strike and the barefoot running technique really helped with the jarring you are experiencing for me. But the shoes are Great for what I have needed. I agree with everyone else though. I "run" my pace through the whole race. I hate walking, but walkers have been known to pass me haha. |
| 2014-12-30 11:46 AM in reply to: Chris75h |
Champion 6993 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Super-Clydes and running Originally posted by Chris75h I hate walking, but walkers have been known to pass me haha. Those Olympic speed walkers will walk a 50k (31 miles) at like 7 min/mile. So yeah most people I can be be beat by walkers. Though I do know what you mean. last year at this time my running pace was slower than my fast walking pace this year. |
| 2015-02-11 6:12 PM in reply to: leatherneckpa |
| 10 Great Falls, Virginia | Subject: RE: Super-Clydes and running New to the forum personally so I'm catching up with everyone's stories. I topped out at 300 and never would have considered running at that weight. My first reaction is to recommend you bike and swim as much as possible and just keep walking. But thinking more about it, with a proper midsole strike, I wonder if running at a modest pace is gentler on your knees than walking, which keeps one foot on the ground at all times, but there is the inevitable heel strike there which, from my understanding, is the thing that kills your knees. I never, ever thought I could run but now at 230, with a very careful gait, I ran over 600 miles last year with not a moment of knee pain. I'm learning a lot of things from this forum and one thing is that I should stop complaining about how hard it is to run at 230lbs. |
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