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2014-12-13 5:36 AM

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Subject: HR Training Zones from VO2 Max??
I had the opportunity to be a guinea pig in a fitness study and got a free VO2 max test out of it. They didn't do the full analysis on the test but gave me a preliminary result of 52 (units?) for the test. In addition, my heart rate before I stopped was at about 204. Having these numbers, is there a way to calculate my heart rate training zones? I am sure there is but haven't used heart rate based training before. Thanks for the help!


2014-12-13 6:36 AM
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I had the opportunity to be a guinea pig in a fitness study and got a free VO2 max test out of it. They didn't do the full analysis on the test but gave me a preliminary result of 52 (units?) for the test. In addition, my heart rate before I stopped was at about 204. Having these numbers, is there a way to calculate my heart rate training zones? I am sure there is but haven't used heart rate based training before. Thanks for the help!


Hopefully they will give you other data.
Did they draw blood ? Was it a ramp test ? Run or bike until exhaustion ? Were you wearing a mask ?

Of those numbers, the 204 is probably getting close to your max HR if you truly gave it your all. You could set zones from that

But it would be better if they were drawing blood and you could get your Lactic threshold and various pace levels. You would be able to set more accurate zones. Other data could tell you how much carbs/fat you were burning, what % of VO2max you hold at threshold....lots of useful data.

The more data you can get, the better picture you will get.
2014-12-13 7:04 AM
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No, I just asked if they could tell me the results and that was all I got. I'm not familiar with the tests so didn't know what I should be asking for :-P No blood was drawn and it was the treadmill test with the mask and HRM. At the end of the study, I will get an analysis of each test (one at the beginning and one at the end) but was just hoping the numbers they did give could give me some useful data to set my HR zones.
2014-12-13 8:08 AM
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No, I just asked if they could tell me the results and that was all I got. I'm not familiar with the tests so didn't know what I should be asking for :-P No blood was drawn and it was the treadmill test with the mask and HRM. At the end of the study, I will get an analysis of each test (one at the beginning and one at the end) but was just hoping the numbers they did give could give me some useful data to set my HR zones.


Was it a test where they increase the pace every x minutes ? If so, was it until you couldn't go anymore ?

If so, I would use the HR as a max HR, or close to it. You could set zones from that. Not perfect, but better than nothing.

Did you get a pace when you stopped ?
2014-12-13 8:56 AM
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Yes, they increased the pace and incline every 3 minutes and it was until I couldn't go on. I figured I could just base my HR zones off of the max HR but I didn't know if the VO2 max value played into that at all. I appreciate all the help.
2014-12-13 9:12 AM
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Yes, they increased the pace and incline every 3 minutes and it was until I couldn't go on. I figured I could just base my HR zones off of the max HR but I didn't know if the VO2 max value played into that at all. I appreciate all the help.


The VO2max number in isolation doesn't mean much. When you get the rest of the data, ask and you can probably extrapolate other info.
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2014-12-13 10:42 PM
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From the test they did, without drawing blood, t=you can determine your ventiliatory threshold, which is functionally similar enough to your lactate threshold it's a fine marker to set training zones from.

Ask them if they can tell you at what heart rate your ventiliatory threshold occured at...and use that as your threshold HR for now.

Otherwise, i'd just stick with RPE zones. Hard for threshold, conversational for aerobic , something in between for tempo.
2014-12-14 5:33 AM
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From the test they did, without drawing blood, t=you can determine your ventiliatory threshold, which is functionally similar enough to your lactate threshold it's a fine marker to set training zones from.

Ask them if they can tell you at what heart rate your ventiliatory threshold occured at...and use that as your threshold HR for now.

Otherwise, i'd just stick with RPE zones. Hard for threshold, conversational for aerobic , something in between for tempo.


AB, question....since he is going to go back to them for more data

is it worth knowing the value of his Ventiliatory threshold AND the HR at that point
Is knowing the VeT as a percentage of the Max worthwhile and indicative of his fitness ? ie is being 50% of max vs 80% of max worth knowing ?
As well, is knowing his pace and incline at both points worth knowing. He would know his pace and VO2 at 2 points, and could get a measure of his economy ?

The HR of course is useful for setting his zones. But isn't there a lot of useful info he could extract with VO2, HR and pace at the 2 points that could better tailor his training ? This would not be a lot of data to ask for.

What's your opinion on getting this data if it's there. ?








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The HRmax on its own isn't enough to set the zones. I hope they did record HR numbers at variously points in the rest because that info is much more useful.
2014-12-15 9:38 AM
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Well for better or worst I gues you can use the Karvonen method if you determine your resting HR.  BT has a few HR calculators that you can play with, there's also this article from Coach Ricci on the various methods.

2014-12-15 12:27 PM
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Subject: RE: HR Training Zones from VO2 Max??
Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by AdventureBear

From the test they did, without drawing blood, t=you can determine your ventiliatory threshold, which is functionally similar enough to your lactate threshold it's a fine marker to set training zones from.

Ask them if they can tell you at what heart rate your ventiliatory threshold occured at...and use that as your threshold HR for now.

Otherwise, i'd just stick with RPE zones. Hard for threshold, conversational for aerobic , something in between for tempo.


AB, question....since he is going to go back to them for more data

is it worth knowing the value of his Ventiliatory threshold AND the HR at that point
Is knowing the VeT as a percentage of the Max worthwhile and indicative of his fitness ? ie is being 50% of max vs 80% of max worth knowing ?
As well, is knowing his pace and incline at both points worth knowing. He would know his pace and VO2 at 2 points, and could get a measure of his economy ?

The HR of course is useful for setting his zones. But isn't there a lot of useful info he could extract with VO2, HR and pace at the 2 points that could better tailor his training ? This would not be a lot of data to ask for.

What's your opinion on getting this data if it's there. ?



All that data should be available from the test and it's useful for looking at response to training over time. For the immediate question of setting HR zones, i was trying to keep it simple.

I would either suggest Karvonen like someone else said, using resting HR and tested max, or get the ventilatory threshold HR and just plug that in for threshold HR, then see how the zones feel.



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