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2015-05-22 9:28 AM

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This may be a ridiculous question but how come anytime I watch a youtube video or clip of an international Olympic distance triathlon event, all the participants seem to be on a road bike? Are triathlon bikes and aero bars not legal?


2015-05-22 9:31 AM
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Originally posted by TXTriRook This may be a ridiculous question but how come anytime I watch a youtube video or clip of an international Olympic distance triathlon event, all the participants seem to be on a road bike? Are triathlon bikes and aero bars not legal?

No, they're not legal in any ITU draft legal race. You can have shorty "aero bars" but they can't extend past the brake hoods.



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2015-05-22 10:04 AM
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So ergonomically speaking they're basically riding the same road bike I am?
2015-05-22 12:46 PM
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Yes. 2016 will see Age Group Draft legal coming in. Road bikes only and no aero bars at all.
2015-05-22 1:06 PM
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They are riding the exact same bike you can buy off the shelf.
2015-05-22 1:10 PM
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Since drafting is legal in ITU, it would be very dangerous to be on your aerobars. You need to have your hands on your brakes when you are 3 to 6 inches off the back of some ones wheel.


2015-05-22 1:26 PM
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Good to know, thanks everyone!
2015-05-23 7:35 AM
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Lots of countries keep kids off Tri bikes as well.
2015-05-23 7:52 AM
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Originally posted by simpsonbo Lots of countries keep kids off Tri bikes as well.

USAT does not allow any kind of aerobars for youth triathlon.

2015-05-23 7:56 AM
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From the videos I have seen that rule sees selective enforcement.
2015-05-23 8:05 AM
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Originally posted by simpsonbo From the videos I have seen that rule sees selective enforcement.

In the US, many races are not USAT sanctioned, so they don't always follow all their rules.

 



2015-05-23 8:41 AM
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Originally posted by GMAN 19030

Originally posted by simpsonbo Lots of countries keep kids off Tri bikes as well.

USAT does not allow any kind of aerobars for youth triathlon.

These days there are plenty of 13-18 year olds doing "adult"  triathlons and quite a few of those kids ride tri bikes.  In fact, at AG Nationals, where the youngest AG is 16-19, many of the kids there ride tri bikes.  I never really gave it a thought, or even know what is now considered "youth" in triathlon.

If you say there is a rule against it then ok.....I know that the ironkids series which was USAT sanctioned did not allow aero bars but that series is no longer around. Outside of the ITU sanctioned youth/jr. elite races I see plenty of kids on tri bikes at USAT sanctioned events.  In fact, my kids have never been to a race, outside of Ironkids and the ITU series, where they were told they couldn't ride their tri bikes.



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2015-05-24 8:25 AM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by GMAN 19030

Originally posted by simpsonbo Lots of countries keep kids off Tri bikes as well.

USAT does not allow any kind of aerobars for youth triathlon.

These days there are plenty of 13-18 year olds doing "adult"  triathlons and quite a few of those kids ride tri bikes.  In fact, at AG Nationals, where the youngest AG is 16-19, many of the kids there ride tri bikes.  I never really gave it a thought, or even know what is now considered "youth" in triathlon.

If you say there is a rule against it then ok.....I know that the ironkids series which was USAT sanctioned did not allow aero bars but that series is no longer around. Outside of the ITU sanctioned youth/jr. elite races I see plenty of kids on tri bikes at USAT sanctioned events.  In fact, my kids have never been to a race, outside of Ironkids and the ITU series, where they were told they couldn't ride their tri bikes.

No, the rule is no shorty aerobars for youth draft legal tri.

2015-05-24 8:41 AM
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KOS/Youth Provincials are coming up and they will be doing equipment checks. 14-15 & Jrs can use stubbies. There are restrictions on rim depth U13 groups (25 mm max) and the U11 are not supposed to have clipless. I am hoping to see the rim depth move to 30mm since there are lots of wheels at that depth. Even 16-17 racing in adult races are expected to conform to the Jr Elite bike configuration. They wont be checking wheels like an elite race but could be punted by a TD if they brought a Tri Bike, that said enforcement outside of championships is terrible.

They are pretty strict on allowing kids in adult races each distance has minimum ages etc. A race got in trouble for letting a 10 year old do an oly in Ontario. I have watched parents try to have their kid race up an age group. Some RD follow the rules and say no, while others are doing so upon request. The only time early age up is supposed to happen is for youth and juniors and its a formal application where coaches decide if the kid is ready.
2015-05-24 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by GMAN 19030

Originally posted by simpsonbo Lots of countries keep kids off Tri bikes as well.

USAT does not allow any kind of aerobars for youth triathlon.

These days there are plenty of 13-18 year olds doing "adult"  triathlons and quite a few of those kids ride tri bikes.  In fact, at AG Nationals, where the youngest AG is 16-19, many of the kids there ride tri bikes.  I never really gave it a thought, or even know what is now considered "youth" in triathlon.

If you say there is a rule against it then ok.....I know that the ironkids series which was USAT sanctioned did not allow aero bars but that series is no longer around. Outside of the ITU sanctioned youth/jr. elite races I see plenty of kids on tri bikes at USAT sanctioned events.  In fact, my kids have never been to a race, outside of Ironkids and the ITU series, where they were told they couldn't ride their tri bikes.

http://content.yudu.com/A27lnd/USAT13YouthGuide/resources/index.htm

Page 36.

Junior is 16-19, youth is 15 and under.  I believe the above guide serves both junior and youth.

I think they're okay using aerobars if doing an adult tri but not if it was a youth or junior only event.

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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by GMAN 19030

Originally posted by simpsonbo Lots of countries keep kids off Tri bikes as well.

USAT does not allow any kind of aerobars for youth triathlon.

These days there are plenty of 13-18 year olds doing "adult"  triathlons and quite a few of those kids ride tri bikes.  In fact, at AG Nationals, where the youngest AG is 16-19, many of the kids there ride tri bikes.  I never really gave it a thought, or even know what is now considered "youth" in triathlon.

If you say there is a rule against it then ok.....I know that the ironkids series which was USAT sanctioned did not allow aero bars but that series is no longer around. Outside of the ITU sanctioned youth/jr. elite races I see plenty of kids on tri bikes at USAT sanctioned events.  In fact, my kids have never been to a race, outside of Ironkids and the ITU series, where they were told they couldn't ride their tri bikes.

No, the rule is no shorty aerobars for youth draft legal tri.

At draft legal events for youth (13-15) and Jr. (16-19) elite races shorty bars are absolutely allowed.  In the now defunct Ironkids races shorty bars were also allowed. My kids don't use shorty bars but plenty of kids do.



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Wait - the IK series did NOT allow shorty bars.  I remember we had a kid on the team DQ'd because of them.

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You're somewhat incorrect.

Bicycle Equipment Rules

  1. The bicycle must be road worthy and in safe operating condition. DQ
  2.  The bicycle shall have two wheels.  No training wheels are allowed.  DQ
  3. There must be at least one working brake on each of the two wheels unless the bicycle was manufactured with only one brake, in which case, the working brake shall be on the rear wheel.  DQ
  4. The bicycle may be on-road, off-road or youth style.  No recumbent style bicycles are allowed.  DQ
  5. Only standard drop, straight, or curved handlebars are allowed.  No aero or time trial bars may be attached to the bike or used during competition.  All handlebars ends shall be solidly plugged.  DQ
  6. No disc wheels or wheel covers are allowed.  DQ
  7. Race officials reserve the right to disallow any bicycle deemed unsafe.  Any unusual bicycle must be approved by race officials prior to competition.

http://www.usatriathlon.org/about-multisport/rulebook.aspx#supplemental

Where me might have debate is at the Junior level.  That link mentions the rules for Youth level.  For Junior level I think shorty bars not extending past the hood rules applies but I'm not sure since USAT's website sucks and I can't find the rule.  There's no debate on the Youth level rules though.



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GMAN - I've been to EVERY youth and Jr. elite triathlon in the last 4 years.  Both youth (13-15), and Jr. (16-19) use shorty bars in those ITU style draft legal races, which are also USAT sanctioned.  MAYBE the youth rule has changed since I don't pay much attention to those races anymore aside from watching them....but I spent quite a bit of time when my kid was at the Youth level making sure his teammates shorty bars didn't extend past the brake hoods. The Jrs (16-19). absolutely use them.



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Originally posted by Left Brain

GMAN - I've been to EVERY youth and Jr. elite triathlon in the last 4 years.  Both youth (13-15), and Jr. (16-19) use shorty bars in those ITU style draft legal races, which are also USAT sanctioned.  MAYBE the youth rule has changed since I don't pay much attention to those races anymore aside from watching them....but I spent quite a bit of time when my kid was at the Youth level making sure his teammates shorty bars didn't extend past the brake hoods. The Jrs (16-19). absolutely use them.

Youth rule changed in 2012.  

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Originally posted by GMAN 19030

Originally posted by Left Brain

GMAN - I've been to EVERY youth and Jr. elite triathlon in the last 4 years.  Both youth (13-15), and Jr. (16-19) use shorty bars in those ITU style draft legal races, which are also USAT sanctioned.  MAYBE the youth rule has changed since I don't pay much attention to those races anymore aside from watching them....but I spent quite a bit of time when my kid was at the Youth level making sure his teammates shorty bars didn't extend past the brake hoods. The Jrs (16-19). absolutely use them.

Youth rule changed in 2012.  

I'll let you know in a week.  My kid was in Youth Elite in 2012......many kids in his races had shorty bars.  Like I said, I only pay attention to the Jrs. these days......I'll watch at the race in Wisconsin next week.



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Here you go GMAN, this is from the 2015 Youth/Jr. elite series guidebook.  Clip-ons are still legal, just like always.  These races are USAT sanctioned, but under ITU rules for draft legal racing.  I verified with a USAT official. 

 

 

For Elite, U23, Junior and Youth draft-legal competitions, the following handlebar rules will apply:

 Only traditional drop handlebars are permitted. The handlebars must be plugged;

 Clip-ons, including the bridge, must not exceed the foremost line of the brake levers;

 Clip-ons must have a solid factory bridge or be touching each other;

 Brake levers or gear levers must not be attached to the clip-ons The height difference between the highest point of the handlebar and the lowest inner part of the elbow rest cannot exceed 10 cm;

 Water bottles and water bottle holders may not be mounted onto the handlebars or clip-on.

 

 

I suppose it's like most things in triathlon........it depends.

 

 



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Also the ITU layouts which favor multiple laps of the same course with lots of turns and hairpins mean the uselfulness of a TT bike would be limited.

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