Doing a Half Ironman before a Full Ironman
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2015-08-20 1:13 PM |
6 | Subject: Doing a Half Ironman before a Full Ironman Just wondering if anyone has advice on the time period between doing a 70.3 and a full Ironman? I can't find to much about a good time period in between these two events. I appreciate any input/experience. |
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2015-08-20 1:24 PM in reply to: ameltz |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Doing a Half Ironman before a Full Ironman If you're talking about in the same season, like a 70.3 as a practice race leading up to a 140.6, a good window I read a lot is between 8-10 weeks before your 140.6 race. |
2015-08-20 1:30 PM in reply to: ameltz |
Master 2855 Kailua, Hawaii | Subject: RE: Doing a Half Ironman before a Full Ironman I've done a 70.3 in various stages of my IM training. This year was pretty much perfect timing, about 2 months out. You want to look at your training plan and see where the 70.3 best matches up, that will be about 8 12 weeks prior to your IM date. You could do the 70.3 later, but at some point, I don't think it helps your IM training because you are diverting with a race, that means taper and recovery periods. |
2015-08-20 2:52 PM in reply to: metafizx |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Doing a Half Ironman before a Full Ironman Originally posted by metafizx I've done a 70.3 in various stages of my IM training. This year was pretty much perfect timing, about 2 months out. You want to look at your training plan and see where the 70.3 best matches up, that will be about 8 12 weeks prior to your IM date. You could do the 70.3 later, but at some point, I don't think it helps your IM training because you are diverting with a race, that means taper and recovery periods. ^^^This^^^ is a pretty good way to approach it. Another way that I like for the first time IM athlete is to put a little more time between the two. Anywhere from 12-16 weeks works well. Then we train for the HIM, race it, take 1-2 weeks of unstructured goof off time, then resume training to bridge up from the HIM to the IM. There are canned plans out there called bridge plans (I believe this site offers one). Another good one is Gale Bernhardt's 13 weeks to a 13 hour Ironman plan.
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2015-08-20 3:12 PM in reply to: TriMyBest |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Doing a Half Ironman before a Full Ironman In addition to what has already been said, I wouldn't recommend what some people do and approach the HIM at IM effort. Plan to race the HIM according to your fitness or don't waste your time and money on a "short" IM training session. Shane |
2015-08-20 3:19 PM in reply to: TriMyBest |
Subject: RE: Doing a Half Ironman before a Full Ironman If you're an experienced triathlete that has done HIMs and IM(s) before, then I think 8-10 weeks can work (or less). The fitness level, volume, and nutrition requirements are nothing new to you, so there isn't that much of a difference in rolling from a HIM to IM rather quickly. If you've already done a season of HIMs and know how your body responds to high volume training, and how your body responds after a HIM race, but are targeting your first IM, I think Don's advice of 12+ weeks might be a little more prudent. It will give you more time to experiment with your nutrition and pacing specific to IM. It will also give you more time to adapt to longer swims, rides, and runs that you may not have done previously in HIM training. If you're talking about your first HIM and first IM, then I would actually recommend having a season or two in between. If you come from a big endurance background then maybe not so much, but if the thought of your first HIM is to just survive...then you probably have a much longer road building the base for IM. Of course that depends on your goals. If one just wants to finish both events then it's certainly possible. I didn't do my first IM until 2.5 years after my first HIM. YMMV. |
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2015-08-20 3:53 PM in reply to: Jason N |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Doing a Half Ironman before a Full Ironman Jason makes a great point that I overlooked. If it is your first for both distances, I would recommend a season where you do just HIM(s). Then, the following season, plan your first IM. Shane |
2015-08-20 10:56 PM in reply to: ameltz |
13 | Subject: RE: Doing a Half Ironman before a Full Ironman Originally posted by ameltz No less than 2 months (as others suggest) - you wouldn't want to miss a fun filled 6hr bike leading up to IM day! Far as a progression towards IM, do whatever you want. Just finishing IM is not a big of deal as some will have you believe, following a moderate training plan, so I would never suggest a multi-annual build towards IM. And if you fall short of your IM goals (or DNF), drop another $800 and try again. We (or most of us) do this for fun and fitness, so don't over think it. Listen to your body; except when it says to walk during the IM run - at that point, keep going Just wondering if anyone has advice on the time period between doing a 70.3 and a full Ironman? I can't find to much about a good time period in between these two events. I appreciate any input/experience. |
2015-08-21 8:29 AM in reply to: GAkin |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Doing a Half Ironman before a Full Ironman I think someone stated it above, but I'll highlight it again - understand how long it takes you to truly recover from a HIM effort (not just that your legs don't hurt anymore). I know that for me I'm on the slow side of recovery, and if I ever do a full IM then I won't race a HIM in the same season, unless it's spaced about 16 weeks apart. Another option is to race an Olympic hard about 8 weeks out - still a very good gauge of fitness, and recovery should be much quicker and not impact the overall training for the IM. |
2015-08-23 12:23 AM in reply to: GAkin |
Extreme Veteran 1332 | Subject: RE: Doing a Half Ironman before a Full Ironman Well shoot, I did a half iron training day 4 weeks out from my iron distance triathlon ( which is in a week ) That said, I didn't race it, I tried to use my goal iron distance paces to get a feel for everything, which I am being on the conservative side, and recovered EXTREMELY quickly from it. :p IMO it really depends how hard you're doing the HIM as to how close you'd want it to be, as well as the experience and recovery times from longer harder efforts. |
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