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How would you approach this race?
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 2016-01-08 10:10 AM |
Extreme Veteran  3025    Maryland |  Subject: How would you approach this race?I've been kicking around the idea of doing the savageman 120.0 (http://www.vtsmts.com/savageman-combination-races/) The first day is a grand-prix style non-draft sprint and then Olympic. The next day is the toughest half ironman in the US. How would you approach this race from a pacing/training standpoint. The distance is in no way a problem for me, its more that I'm trying to have the fastest race possible. I was thinking about having a few trips this summer where I would ride the course 2 days in a row to get it down. I've ridden it before and its one tough mother. It would also seem to me that the run is going to be about the bike. By the second day I'm certainly not going to be running a half marathon PR, so I was going to lean towards a bike focus leading up to the race. 4-5 rides a week, 150-200 miles. At the moment I'm working hard on my run with a possible ultra or trail marathon in the spring, I'm up about 50 mph this week. Thoughts? oh and here is the profile for the half bike:
SavageMan 70.0 Bike Course Elevation Profile
Edited by dmiller5 2016-01-08 10:14 AM |
| 2016-01-08 10:24 AM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Master 10208  Northern IL | Subject: RE: How would you approach this race? A quick thought is checking out approaches to Triple T too. |
| 2016-01-08 12:41 PM in reply to: 0 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: How would you approach this race? I'd be working my run now. Maybe even run a spring HM. Then slowly shift to bike focus, and especially hone the climbing skills. In fact most of your bike sessions could be climbing here on out. For volume, I'd basically train for HIM, but back to back my endurance training days and double up on them. I.E. If my long bike was saturday and long run sunday, I'd do a short brick run almost every Saturday and Sunday would be swim followed by long run Edited by Meulen 2016-01-08 12:42 PM |
| 2016-01-08 1:43 PM in reply to: dmiller5 |
| 701 | Subject: RE: How would you approach this race? Easy. With a motorcycle. |
| 2016-01-08 5:51 PM in reply to: jhaack39 |
Veteran 740 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: How would you approach this race? Ultra easy on day one, and all about the bike and bike pacing & gearing for the first part of the ride on day two. Huge run mileage this time of year will make almost no difference on race day at the end of summer. Spend this winter doing what you want. What will matter is what you get done in July and August. |
| 2016-01-11 7:40 AM in reply to: dmiller5 |
| 754 | Subject: RE: How would you approach this race? Have you done any of the Savageman races before? The challenge isn't the distance. The challenge is not redlining (especially on the Wall) so you can finish. The oly is a lot of fun. I have done it twice, and it is my favorite race of that distance. I have done the half once, and I was a full two hours slower than I was in the HIM just two months earlier because I completely screwed up pacing on the bike. Remember, it isn't just the bike that is hilly. You have a very hilly half marathon at the end with a certain cross country aspect to it. I have seen a couple people get tired and take some nasty spills running down the fire road. This isn't to discourage you. I am just wondering what your background is. |
| 2016-01-11 9:57 AM in reply to: happyscientist |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: How would you approach this race? I've ridden the course before, and I respect it. At the moment I'm running a ton, working on my weakness. last week was 55 miles.
As far as the bike goes, not redlining/keeping the power spikes down is certainly key. I also race bikes and do long rides with my team so hopefully this experience will help me there. How easy can you really go the first day? giving up 10 minutes in the sprint/Olympic could really handicap you for the overall
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| 2016-01-11 11:39 AM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: How would you approach this race? You can't go very easy on day 1. But you can't empty the tank either. I'm going to guess your pacing should be somewhere between oly/HIM on day 1. Exactly where is hard to say. Swim and bike probably closer to oly (although with bike still 'metered' out due to nature of the course) and run probably closer to HIM. Don't think you need a trail marathon or ultra, just a steady diet of running which you are doing. And lots of biking with a solid power/weight ratio by race day--body comp will matter a lot for this one. And, of course, a very solid swim so that you aren't digging a hole at the start of your day. Overall, you are preparing for a tough HIM which you will attack when you are already a bit fatigued. But, at the end, it's just like any tri where you want to bring the best fitness/endurance possible and then pace yourself well. Your pacing is partly dictated by your fitness. |
| 2016-01-11 11:50 AM in reply to: dmiller5 |
| 754 | Subject: RE: How would you approach this race? It sounds like you definitely have the fitness. It also sounds like you are close to the course. I would just go there one day to do the bike and run portions of the oly and get a feel for how you would pace it. |
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