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 2016-02-11 8:50 AM |
 409  Durham, North Carolina |  Subject: Wheel build help!I've gotten the permission to do a wheel build, but now I can't make up mind. I can do custom orange hope hubs on boyd rims for just over $1500 or Chinese rims laced to dt 350's for $750 (farsports). The equivalent build hub wise on Chinese rims would be about $1050. I can't decide if it is worth it to pay more for the branded rims? I know it takes away a lot of the QC questions, but I could replace the rims twice for the same price. Just looking for some input and hoping you guys had some experience that could help. Thanks! |
| 2016-02-11 8:56 AM in reply to: Lupy |
Extreme Veteran 717 Chicago, USA | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! If you don't go the farsports route, what brand or brands of rims might be possible for you? |
| 2016-02-11 10:01 AM in reply to: Lupy |
Expert 2852  Pfafftown, NC | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! If you want to build them, that's fine. I bought a set of new (front wheel had 100 mi. on it and the rear was still in the box) Flo's (60 and 90) for $675. I spent another $40 on a cassette (optional.....you could use the one on your current wheel) and $125 on a wheelbuilder aero jacket with a special tool and an accessory or two. |
| 2016-02-11 11:47 AM in reply to: Lupy |
Master 2725 Washington, DC Metro | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by Lupy I've gotten the permission to do a wheel build, but now I can't make up mind. I can do custom orange hope hubs on boyd rims for just over $1500 or Chinese rims laced to dt 350's for $750 (farsports). The equivalent build hub wise on Chinese rims would be about $1050. I can't decide if it is worth it to pay more for the branded rims? I know it takes away a lot of the QC questions, but I could replace the rims twice for the same price. Just looking for some input and hoping you guys had some experience that could help. Thanks! Unless of course the rim fails on a 35 MPH decent where you hit a small pot hole and you go end-over-end a few times and you've got a $5,000 hospital bill and need to replace the entire bike. |
| 2016-02-11 11:58 AM in reply to: Sous |
| 409 Durham, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by Sous Originally posted by Lupy I've gotten the permission to do a wheel build, but now I can't make up mind. I can do custom orange hope hubs on boyd rims for just over $1500 or Chinese rims laced to dt 350's for $750 (farsports). The equivalent build hub wise on Chinese rims would be about $1050. I can't decide if it is worth it to pay more for the branded rims? I know it takes away a lot of the QC questions, but I could replace the rims twice for the same price. Just looking for some input and hoping you guys had some experience that could help. Thanks! Unless of course the rim fails on a 35 MPH decent where you hit a small pot hole and you go end-over-end a few times and you've got a $5,000 hospital bill and need to replace the entire bike. That's the thought I couldn't get out of my head! Since I had the room in my budget I went for the custom Boyd build. I'll try to remember to post an update when I actually get the rims. I went with Boyd's 60mm clincher from http://www.prowheelbuilder.com/. Right now they have a sale going on so I got 12% off in case anyone else is interested in getting their own. |
| 2016-02-11 12:00 PM in reply to: Sous |
Extreme Veteran 717 Chicago, USA | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by Sous Unless of course the rim fails on a 35 MPH decent where you hit a small pot hole and you go end-over-end a few times and you've got a $50,000 hospital bill, and also need to replace the entire bike. Fixed a small (but important) detail. Gotta keep up with the times!  |
| 2016-02-11 12:02 PM in reply to: Lupy |
Master 2725 Washington, DC Metro | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by Lupy Originally posted by Sous That's the thought I couldn't get out of my head! Since I had the room in my budget I went for the custom Boyd build. I'll try to remember to post an update when I actually get the rims. I went with Boyd's 60mm clincher from http://www.prowheelbuilder.com/. Right now they have a sale going on so I got 12% off in case anyone else is interested in getting their own. Originally posted by Lupy I've gotten the permission to do a wheel build, but now I can't make up mind. I can do custom orange hope hubs on boyd rims for just over $1500 or Chinese rims laced to dt 350's for $750 (farsports). The equivalent build hub wise on Chinese rims would be about $1050. I can't decide if it is worth it to pay more for the branded rims? I know it takes away a lot of the QC questions, but I could replace the rims twice for the same price. Just looking for some input and hoping you guys had some experience that could help. Thanks! Unless of course the rim fails on a 35 MPH decent where you hit a small pot hole and you go end-over-end a few times and you've got a $5,000 hospital bill and need to replace the entire bike. Sweet. Sounds like a nice set up. |
| 2016-02-11 12:06 PM in reply to: Lupy |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by Lupy I've gotten the permission to do a wheel build, but now I can't make up mind. I can do custom orange hope hubs on boyd rims for just over $1500 or Chinese rims laced to dt 350's for $750 (farsports). The equivalent build hub wise on Chinese rims would be about $1050. I can't decide if it is worth it to pay more for the branded rims? I know it takes away a lot of the QC questions, but I could replace the rims twice for the same price. Just looking for some input and hoping you guys had some experience that could help. Thanks! What are they for ? Climbing, tri racing ? Do you own a PM ? |
| 2016-02-11 12:14 PM in reply to: marcag |
| 409 Durham, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! This is where it gets crazy. My Tri bike can fit a 135mm hub easily so I decided to sell my Flo's and get one nice set of wheels that I can use on my Tri bike and disc bike. I went 60mm because I wanted them to be suitable for tri's and the wight difference was negligible IMO. I have a stages power meter. Since I do the majority of riding on my disc bike (still can't find a tt saddle I like) my Flo's were just garage decorations. |
| 2016-02-14 8:01 AM in reply to: Lupy |
Extreme Veteran 701 Raleigh, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Looks like you have what you need here, but there's Frank's cyclery on Hwy 70 near the airport for help as well. |
| 2016-02-14 1:43 PM in reply to: Dorm57 |
| 409 Durham, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by Dorm57 Looks like you have what you need here, but there's Frank's cyclery on Hwy 70 near the airport for help as well. Thanks. I still haven't found a "home" shop yet so that helps! |
| 2016-02-14 6:51 PM in reply to: #5166582 |
1502 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! I've got about 3,000 miles on my wheels from wheelsfar without ever having a horrible crash. I've also yet to hear of a single person having a horrible crash from faulty Chinese wheels....and this has come up 100 times on a dozen forums. Just my $0.02. This comes up every time. |
| 2016-02-15 7:08 AM in reply to: 3mar |
Member 1748 Exton, PA | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by 3mar I've got about 3,000 miles on my wheels from wheelsfar without ever having a horrible crash. I've also yet to hear of a single person having a horrible crash from faulty Chinese wheels....and this has come up 100 times on a dozen forums. Just my $0.02. This comes up every time. Start talking to cyclist instead of triathletes and you'll hear about wheel failures. It's not as common as it used to be, the off brand Chinese wheel makers got better at stealing the design and process from the companies that invest in the technology. I won't buy the stolen IP to be 1 minute fast than the other 40-50 year old out there. If I keep taking 4th place because I won't buy wheel built with stolen IP and won't take drugs so be it. |
| 2016-02-15 8:09 AM in reply to: mike761 |
| 1502 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by mike761 Originally posted by 3mar I've got about 3,000 miles on my wheels from wheelsfar without ever having a horrible crash. I've also yet to hear of a single person having a horrible crash from faulty Chinese wheels....and this has come up 100 times on a dozen forums. Just my $0.02. This comes up every time. Start talking to cyclist instead of triathletes and you'll hear about wheel failures. It's not as common as it used to be, the off brand Chinese wheel makers got better at stealing the design and process from the companies that invest in the technology. I won't buy the stolen IP to be 1 minute fast than the other 40-50 year old out there. If I keep taking 4th place because I won't buy wheel built with stolen IP and won't take drugs so be it. Anything that says "Made In China" comes with all the not so pleasant things that we ALL know. Human rights violations, scorched earth environmental management, stolen everything, lack of business ethics, etc etc. Yet we all have "made in China" on the back of just about everything we own (including a lot, if not all, of the name brand wheels). Doesn't it seem a bit hypocritical to draw a random line? Also, I personally bought old technology that is not under any patent, nor is it any design that any manufacturers are making. So we use and abuse their people, environment and economy for cheap products, but if they steel anything from us, then they're the bad guys....makes sense. |
| 2016-02-15 9:25 AM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by mike761 Originally posted by 3mar I've got about 3,000 miles on my wheels from wheelsfar without ever having a horrible crash. I've also yet to hear of a single person having a horrible crash from faulty Chinese wheels....and this has come up 100 times on a dozen forums. Just my $0.02. This comes up every time. Start talking to cyclist instead of triathletes and you'll hear about wheel failures. It's not as common as it used to be, the off brand Chinese wheel makers got better at stealing the design and process from the companies that invest in the technology. I won't buy the stolen IP to be 1 minute fast than the other 40-50 year old out there. If I keep taking 4th place because I won't buy wheel built with stolen IP and won't take drugs so be it. Do you have a source that the generic manufacturers are using stolen IP? Edited by msteiner 2016-02-15 9:31 AM |
| 2016-02-15 11:39 AM in reply to: msteiner |
Member 1748 Exton, PA | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by msteiner Originally posted by mike761 Originally posted by 3mar I've got about 3,000 miles on my wheels from wheelsfar without ever having a horrible crash. I've also yet to hear of a single person having a horrible crash from faulty Chinese wheels....and this has come up 100 times on a dozen forums. Just my $0.02. This comes up every time. Start talking to cyclist instead of triathletes and you'll hear about wheel failures. It's not as common as it used to be, the off brand Chinese wheel makers got better at stealing the design and process from the companies that invest in the technology. I won't buy the stolen IP to be 1 minute fast than the other 40-50 year old out there. If I keep taking 4th place because I won't buy wheel built with stolen IP and won't take drugs so be it. Do you have a source that the generic manufacturers are using stolen IP? https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110102/15230512491/chinas-patent... Its pretty much common knowledge that they do. |
| 2016-02-15 11:47 AM in reply to: 3mar |
Member 1748 Exton, PA | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by 3mar Originally posted by mike761 Originally posted by 3mar I've got about 3,000 miles on my wheels from wheelsfar without ever having a horrible crash. I've also yet to hear of a single person having a horrible crash from faulty Chinese wheels....and this has come up 100 times on a dozen forums. Just my $0.02. This comes up every time. Start talking to cyclist instead of triathletes and you'll hear about wheel failures. It's not as common as it used to be, the off brand Chinese wheel makers got better at stealing the design and process from the companies that invest in the technology. I won't buy the stolen IP to be 1 minute fast than the other 40-50 year old out there. If I keep taking 4th place because I won't buy wheel built with stolen IP and won't take drugs so be it. Anything that says "Made In China" comes with all the not so pleasant things that we ALL know. Human rights violations, scorched earth environmental management, stolen everything, lack of business ethics, etc etc. Yet we all have "made in China" on the back of just about everything we own (including a lot, if not all, of the name brand wheels). Doesn't it seem a bit hypocritical to draw a random line? Also, I personally bought old technology that is not under any patent, nor is it any design that any manufacturers are making. So we use and abuse their people, environment and economy for cheap products, but if they steel anything from us, then they're the bad guys....makes sense. Your quick to jump to conclusions and accuse people. Actually I try not to buy from China, I try to buy stuff made in the US when I can. I would not call that an arbitrary line. I actually love the Chinese people and culture, and would love for the abuse of people and environment to stop. No they are not the bad guys, but I'm not buying stolen IP just to knock 2 minutes off my bike time which means nothing in the end. |
| 2016-02-15 12:00 PM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by mike761 Originally posted by msteiner Originally posted by mike761 Originally posted by 3mar I've got about 3,000 miles on my wheels from wheelsfar without ever having a horrible crash. I've also yet to hear of a single person having a horrible crash from faulty Chinese wheels....and this has come up 100 times on a dozen forums. Just my $0.02. This comes up every time. Start talking to cyclist instead of triathletes and you'll hear about wheel failures. It's not as common as it used to be, the off brand Chinese wheel makers got better at stealing the design and process from the companies that invest in the technology. I won't buy the stolen IP to be 1 minute fast than the other 40-50 year old out there. If I keep taking 4th place because I won't buy wheel built with stolen IP and won't take drugs so be it. Do you have a source that the generic manufacturers are using stolen IP? https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110102/15230512491/chinas-patent... Its pretty much common knowledge that they do. I have a handful of patents to my name and have been involved in patent defense on a few occasions If I had to pinpoint the birthplace of patent trolls, it would not be China Just saying.... The bulk of chinese wheels do a below average implementation of expired patents I personally would not buy a Chinese wheel unless I knew it went through a QC process I would trust. Edited by marcag 2016-02-15 12:13 PM |
| 2016-02-15 12:43 PM in reply to: marcag |
Member 1748 Exton, PA | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by marcag I have a handful of patents to my name and have been involved in patent defense on a few occasions If I had to pinpoint the birthplace of patent trolls, it would not be China Just saying.... The bulk of chinese wheels do a below average implementation of expired patents I personally would not buy a Chinese wheel unless I knew it went through a QC process I would trust. I have two as well, and yes there are plenty of people out there trying to steal IP. Chinese have done a good job of it in the bike industry. Most of the CF stuff does not have an actual patent because the patent would be in the layout and manufacturing, requiring a manufacturing patent. A manufacturing patent requires you to explain exactly how the part is made, which then tells the thieves exactly how to make it. We always tried to get things classified as a design patent not a manufacturing. The best CF design in the world means nothing if the process is bad. (wrong fiber layout, autoclave temps off by 15°, low vacuum, poor resign mix, poor quality resign, etc..) |
| 2016-02-15 1:09 PM in reply to: mike761 |
| 1502 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by mike761 Originally posted by 3mar Originally posted by mike761 Originally posted by 3mar I've got about 3,000 miles on my wheels from wheelsfar without ever having a horrible crash. I've also yet to hear of a single person having a horrible crash from faulty Chinese wheels....and this has come up 100 times on a dozen forums. Just my $0.02. This comes up every time. Start talking to cyclist instead of triathletes and you'll hear about wheel failures. It's not as common as it used to be, the off brand Chinese wheel makers got better at stealing the design and process from the companies that invest in the technology. I won't buy the stolen IP to be 1 minute fast than the other 40-50 year old out there. If I keep taking 4th place because I won't buy wheel built with stolen IP and won't take drugs so be it. Anything that says "Made In China" comes with all the not so pleasant things that we ALL know. Human rights violations, scorched earth environmental management, stolen everything, lack of business ethics, etc etc. Yet we all have "made in China" on the back of just about everything we own (including a lot, if not all, of the name brand wheels). Doesn't it seem a bit hypocritical to draw a random line? Also, I personally bought old technology that is not under any patent, nor is it any design that any manufacturers are making. So we use and abuse their people, environment and economy for cheap products, but if they steel anything from us, then they're the bad guys....makes sense. Your quick to jump to conclusions and accuse people. Actually I try not to buy from China, I try to buy stuff made in the US when I can. I would not call that an arbitrary line. I actually love the Chinese people and culture, and would love for the abuse of people and environment to stop. No they are not the bad guys, but I'm not buying stolen IP just to knock 2 minutes off my bike time which means nothing in the end. Dude, you're always the one making it personal. Look at the string. I made a comment on safety and nothing more. You responded on a tangent of IP theft and threw in obvious links to my personal and previous posts. See how that works. I post something that has nothing to do with anyone, then you turn it personal. Chill the heck out man. |
| 2016-02-17 6:09 AM in reply to: 3mar |
Master 2094 | Subject: RE: Wheel build help! Originally posted by 3mar I've got about 3,000 miles on my wheels from wheelsfar without ever having a horrible crash. I've also yet to hear of a single person having a horrible crash from faulty Chinese wheels....and this has come up 100 times on a dozen forums. Just my $0.02. This comes up every time. I witnessed one and it was bad. Some of the large Fondos with lots of descents have banned full carbon wheels. Some people still use them. I talked with one of the sag guys after a 2500+ person Fondo and he said there were about 1/2 a dozen wheel failures from full carbon rims. He also mentioned that not a single one of them was a name brand wheel, which I found odd. My wife who barely weighs 50 kg has had repeated blowouts on a full carbon Chinese rear wheel which I assumed was from heat. She rides her brakes during descents and I'm sure doesn't give time for heat dispersal. I switched her back to alloy rims, and she has been fine. |
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