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2016-07-28 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Dude, don't take any news from Alex Jones seriously. Ever. The man still thinks Sandy Hook and the moon landing were hoaxes. I also cannot believe that the DNC would openly advertise on Craigslist to find seat fillers. 

So the entire area around the Convention Center is basically a high fence no-go area except for credentialed people, but the Secret Service and the rest of the security force just let nearly 1000 people who answered a Craigslist  ad into the convention center?

I'm gonna go with...................nah.

They made the mistake of putting the same people setting the DNC immigration policy in charge of the fence........I think you will see a lot of Mexicans and Syrian refugees at the convention now.



2016-07-28 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Dude, don't take any news from Alex Jones seriously. Ever. The man still thinks Sandy Hook and the moon landing were hoaxes. I also cannot believe that the DNC would openly advertise on Craigslist to find seat fillers. 

Wait, we landed on the moon? I was mainly basing my opinion on the videos, but do agree the Craigslist add is a stretch.

 

So quick trivia question for ya?  How many times has the US walked on the moon?

Bonus points it you can name which of the Apollo mission actually landed on the moon.  I'll even give you a freebee, Apollo 13 did not.  :-)

 

No googling allowed. 

2016-07-28 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Dude, don't take any news from Alex Jones seriously. Ever. The man still thinks Sandy Hook and the moon landing were hoaxes. I also cannot believe that the DNC would openly advertise on Craigslist to find seat fillers. 

Wait, we landed on the moon? I was mainly basing my opinion on the videos, but do agree the Craigslist add is a stretch.

 

So quick trivia question for ya?  How many times has the US walked on the moon?

Bonus points it you can name which of the Apollo mission actually landed on the moon.  I'll even give you a freebee, Apollo 13 did not.  :-)

 

No googling allowed. 

Oh boy, well I know the first few Apollo missions didn't leave earth orbit and then they had one or two that circled the moon and came back without landing and of course 13. I don't know the answer, but I'd guess 4.
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It was 11.  I was 8 or 9 years old.  My dad was a State Trooper and had been gone for a few weeks on riot duty at a college I don't remember.  I watched it on a small black and white TV in my folks bedroom with my mom.  One of those moments from my childhood that is seared in my brain.



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2016-07-28 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Dude, don't take any news from Alex Jones seriously. Ever. The man still thinks Sandy Hook and the moon landing were hoaxes. I also cannot believe that the DNC would openly advertise on Craigslist to find seat fillers. 

Wait, we landed on the moon? I was mainly basing my opinion on the videos, but do agree the Craigslist add is a stretch.

 

So quick trivia question for ya?  How many times has the US walked on the moon?

Bonus points it you can name which of the Apollo mission actually landed on the moon.  I'll even give you a freebee, Apollo 13 did not.  :-)

 

No googling allowed. 

Oh boy, well I know the first few Apollo missions didn't leave earth orbit and then they had one or two that circled the moon and came back without landing and of course 13. I don't know the answer, but I'd guess 4.


I know 2 atleast moon landings (sound stages ). since one else said 4 I will say 3 moon landings. I want to say apollo 11 was the first.
2016-07-28 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Dude, don't take any news from Alex Jones seriously. Ever. The man still thinks Sandy Hook and the moon landing were hoaxes. I also cannot believe that the DNC would openly advertise on Craigslist to find seat fillers. 

Wait, we landed on the moon? I was mainly basing my opinion on the videos, but do agree the Craigslist add is a stretch.

 

So quick trivia question for ya?  How many times has the US walked on the moon?

Bonus points it you can name which of the Apollo mission actually landed on the moon.  I'll even give you a freebee, Apollo 13 did not.  :-)

 

No googling allowed. 

Oh boy, well I know the first few Apollo missions didn't leave earth orbit and then they had one or two that circled the moon and came back without landing and of course 13. I don't know the answer, but I'd guess 4.

 

Close.  6 times  At least you didn't say 1 like many people say.

Apollo 11, Apollo 12, Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16 and Apollo 17. 

It's funny how many people don't know we landed on the moon 6 times!  We celebrate Apollo 11 because that was the first....one small step for man, one giant leap for Mankind.....and we know about Apollo 13, 'Houston we have a problem' because of the movie. 

 



2016-07-28 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Dude, don't take any news from Alex Jones seriously. Ever. The man still thinks Sandy Hook and the moon landing were hoaxes. I also cannot believe that the DNC would openly advertise on Craigslist to find seat fillers. 

Wait, we landed on the moon? I was mainly basing my opinion on the videos, but do agree the Craigslist add is a stretch.

 

So quick trivia question for ya?  How many times has the US walked on the moon?

Bonus points it you can name which of the Apollo mission actually landed on the moon.  I'll even give you a freebee, Apollo 13 did not.  :-)

 

No googling allowed. 

Oh boy, well I know the first few Apollo missions didn't leave earth orbit and then they had one or two that circled the moon and came back without landing and of course 13. I don't know the answer, but I'd guess 4.

 

Close.  6 times  At least you didn't say 1 like many people say.

Apollo 11, Apollo 12, Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16 and Apollo 17. 

It's funny how many people don't know we landed on the moon 6 times!  We celebrate Apollo 11 because that was the first....one small step for man, one giant leap for Mankind.....and we know about Apollo 13, 'Houston we have a problem' because of the movie. 

 




wow 6 times. I was way off.

I know we had a buggy and played golf on later missions.
2016-07-28 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by chirunner134
Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Dude, don't take any news from Alex Jones seriously. Ever. The man still thinks Sandy Hook and the moon landing were hoaxes. I also cannot believe that the DNC would openly advertise on Craigslist to find seat fillers. 

Wait, we landed on the moon? I was mainly basing my opinion on the videos, but do agree the Craigslist add is a stretch.

 

So quick trivia question for ya?  How many times has the US walked on the moon?

Bonus points it you can name which of the Apollo mission actually landed on the moon.  I'll even give you a freebee, Apollo 13 did not.  :-)

 

No googling allowed. 

Oh boy, well I know the first few Apollo missions didn't leave earth orbit and then they had one or two that circled the moon and came back without landing and of course 13. I don't know the answer, but I'd guess 4.

 

Close.  6 times  At least you didn't say 1 like many people say.

Apollo 11, Apollo 12, Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16 and Apollo 17. 

It's funny how many people don't know we landed on the moon 6 times!  We celebrate Apollo 11 because that was the first....one small step for man, one giant leap for Mankind.....and we know about Apollo 13, 'Houston we have a problem' because of the movie. 

 

wow 6 times. I was way off. I know we had a buggy and played golf on later missions.

 

Yes, we bad a buggy.  One of my former bosses at Boeing (been dead for 25 years now) worked on the design of the wheels for that buggy.

I remember him telling me a story about how someone had come up with the theory that if the astronauts took a lot of vitamin c it would help with something...some adverse effect of 0-g.  But the astronauts said all it did was give them gas.  And given the space suits were closed-air systems.....uug!  He said he was listening to one of the broadcasts from the moon late one night and the astronauts said, "Whoever the SOB was that came up with this vitamin C idea needs to die in a gas chamber!" 

 

2016-07-28 1:18 PM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Dude, don't take any news from Alex Jones seriously. Ever. The man still thinks Sandy Hook and the moon landing were hoaxes. I also cannot believe that the DNC would openly advertise on Craigslist to find seat fillers. 

So the entire area around the Convention Center is basically a high fence no-go area except for credentialed people, but the Secret Service and the rest of the security force just let nearly 1000 people who answered a Craigslist  ad into the convention center?

I'm gonna go with...................nah.

clearly the secret service can't be trusted.

2016-07-28 1:23 PM
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Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Dude, don't take any news from Alex Jones seriously. Ever. The man still thinks Sandy Hook and the moon landing were hoaxes. I also cannot believe that the DNC would openly advertise on Craigslist to find seat fillers. 

So the entire area around the Convention Center is basically a high fence no-go area except for credentialed people, but the Secret Service and the rest of the security force just let nearly 1000 people who answered a Craigslist  ad into the convention center?

I'm gonna go with...................nah.

clearly the secret service can't be trusted.

hah, one thing I can say no matter what our political leanings the secret service has done a great job across the board.

as for people getting through I don't think it's that big of a deal if the DNC wants people in.  They just screen you like at an airport and let you in.  I've been to many political events and they're all pretty much the same level of security at that level.

2016-07-28 2:27 PM
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Breaking (wind) news.....

Hundreds of Bernie Sanders supporters are expected to stage a Fart-In Thursday at the Democratic National Convention meeting in Philadelphia.

An assortment of Socialists, beatniks, and leftwing rabble-rousers plan to consume massive quantities of pork and beans in preparation for the pungent protest.

We have yet to ascertain why the liberals are passing gas -- but the mass flatulence is expected to happen just moments before Hillary Clinton's acceptance speech.

U.S. News reports heavy containers laden with beans – both dry and canned – have already been shipped to the City of Brotherly Love. They plan to feast on a variety of selections – including navy, pinto, baked and lima (which emits a rather noxious fume).

“It shows the level of absolute disgust that we’re at – we think we’re going to remember 2016 as the year we begin to bury the two corporate political parties,” Cheri Honkala told U.S. News.

Ms. Honkala is the national coordinator for the Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign – one of the groups behind the “Fart-In.”

“It’s really a shame – this whole thing does stink,” she said. “Democrats and Republicans are like Pepsi and Coke. They listen to corporations and they don’t listen to anti-poverty activists.”

The plan is for activists to scarf down as many beans as possible and then wait for nature to run its course. As the songwriter once wrote, “Beans, beans, the magical fruit…”

At the appointed hour, the protesters will corporately pass gas – both inside and outside the Wells Fargo Arena. And that has drawn a word of warning from meteorologists.

Thunderstorms are in the forecast and some weather guessers fear the static discharge from a lightning strike could cause the protestors to spontaneously combust.

Also, scientists have grave concerns that the sheer number of gassy liberals could blow a hole in the ozone from Philadelphia to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.

Therefore, residents who live in the projected path of this foul wind should begin immediate preparations to protect themselves and their property.

FEMA has not issued an official advisory – but sources within the government tell me people living along the eastern seaboard should  acquire gas masks and at least two cases of industrial strength Febreze.

To those of you down wind of the blast zone --- God speed.

 

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2016-07-29 9:21 AM
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I used to work as a home visitor for a federally funded program called Early Head Start. I did home visits with children ages birth to 3, I had about 8 clients I would see in a week. I grew up sheltered middle class, didn't know anything about food stamps, public housing etc. I got an education real fast. One of my clients I will never forget, she was 20 or 21 with 5 kids and one on the way. She had her first baby at the age of 14. She did not have an education, did not graduate high school and could not read very well. She got a job at McDonalds for a while. I would come for home visits and her loser, kind of scary significant other would be home with the toddler. He did not work and did not intend to as he collected disability. A few weeks passed and I caught a visit with Mom home. She had to quit her job at McDonalds because her pay was just enough to make her eligible for a medical card and food stamps. but clearly not enough to care for 5 kids. She was trying. She had no skills, 5 kids and not a lot of options. 

Just speaking as to why someone would try to raise a family on a minimum wage job. 

 

So I'm sure I'll get some questionable comments from what I am about to say, but I think the question that your story raises, is not why you would try to raise a family on Min. Wage (especially since it can affect your ability to get freebies), but more, who is ultimately responsible to take care of this family since they are idiots....  21 and soon to be 6 kids.  Sorry, not my responsibility.  Not my govt.'s responsibility.    

It should also be noted that there is a good chance that these kids will end up in the same place (very common).

 

Sad really.

2016-07-29 9:26 AM
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Originally posted by velocomp

Originally posted by trigal38

I used to work as a home visitor for a federally funded program called Early Head Start. I did home visits with children ages birth to 3, I had about 8 clients I would see in a week. I grew up sheltered middle class, didn't know anything about food stamps, public housing etc. I got an education real fast. One of my clients I will never forget, she was 20 or 21 with 5 kids and one on the way. She had her first baby at the age of 14. She did not have an education, did not graduate high school and could not read very well. She got a job at McDonalds for a while. I would come for home visits and her loser, kind of scary significant other would be home with the toddler. He did not work and did not intend to as he collected disability. A few weeks passed and I caught a visit with Mom home. She had to quit her job at McDonalds because her pay was just enough to make her eligible for a medical card and food stamps. but clearly not enough to care for 5 kids. She was trying. She had no skills, 5 kids and not a lot of options. 

Just speaking as to why someone would try to raise a family on a minimum wage job. 

 

So I'm sure I'll get some questionable comments from what I am about to say, but I think the question that your story raises, is not why you would try to raise a family on Min. Wage (especially since it can affect your ability to get freebies), but more, who is ultimately responsible to take care of this family since they are idiots....  21 and soon to be 6 kids.  Sorry, not my responsibility.  Not my govt.'s responsibility.    

It should also be noted that there is a good chance that these kids will end up in the same place (very common).

 

Sad really.

it is sad.  but this could happen to a married couple (maybe not quite as many kids?)  who's religion is against birth control right?

so basically we should do away with silly religions you say??? ok finally something we can agree on!

2016-07-29 10:14 AM
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thought y'all might like this.  fact checking on both trump and Hillary's speeches.  Both of them said misleading things at times.  I think an unbiased observer can say that Hillary was more honest in her speech.  what do you think.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-misfires-hillary-071957518.html



2016-07-29 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by dmiller5

thought y'all might like this.  fact checking on both trump and Hillary's speeches.  Both of them said misleading things at times.  I think an unbiased observer can say that Hillary was more honest in her speech.  what do you think.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-misfires-hillary-071957518.html

I think the candidates lie and stretch the truth in political speeches because they can, their supporters eat it up, and most voters do very little to truly educate themselves on policy.   I've chosen to give very little credence to what politicians say to get elected - in fact, I expect them to be lying.  Anyone who refuses to vote for lying politicians will have no politicians to vote for.  Lying and mudslinging is nothing new in American politics. 

 

 

2016-07-29 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by velocomp

Originally posted by trigal38

I used to work as a home visitor for a federally funded program called Early Head Start. I did home visits with children ages birth to 3, I had about 8 clients I would see in a week. I grew up sheltered middle class, didn't know anything about food stamps, public housing etc. I got an education real fast. One of my clients I will never forget, she was 20 or 21 with 5 kids and one on the way. She had her first baby at the age of 14. She did not have an education, did not graduate high school and could not read very well. She got a job at McDonalds for a while. I would come for home visits and her loser, kind of scary significant other would be home with the toddler. He did not work and did not intend to as he collected disability. A few weeks passed and I caught a visit with Mom home. She had to quit her job at McDonalds because her pay was just enough to make her eligible for a medical card and food stamps. but clearly not enough to care for 5 kids. She was trying. She had no skills, 5 kids and not a lot of options. 

Just speaking as to why someone would try to raise a family on a minimum wage job. 

 

So I'm sure I'll get some questionable comments from what I am about to say, but I think the question that your story raises, is not why you would try to raise a family on Min. Wage (especially since it can affect your ability to get freebies), but more, who is ultimately responsible to take care of this family since they are idiots....  21 and soon to be 6 kids.  Sorry, not my responsibility.  Not my govt.'s responsibility.    

It should also be noted that there is a good chance that these kids will end up in the same place (very common).

 

Sad really.




I think Freakonomics talkes about infant morality rates and number of child people have. As infant morality went down number kids people have went down since you do not need as many children to ensure some of them reach adulthood. Also I believe poverty is another factor that works to increase infant morality rates.

Biology time and time again trumps logic.

2016-07-29 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by dmiller5

thought y'all might like this.  fact checking on both trump and Hillary's speeches.  Both of them said misleading things at times.  I think an unbiased observer can say that Hillary was more honest in her speech.  what do you think.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-misfires-hillary-071957518.html

 

I think there is no such thing as an "unbiased" observer.  Everyone is biased whether they think they are or not.  Its just human nature. I you are a white male you have a different bias than a black male and different from a white female.  If you normally favor republican you will tend to be biased towards republican.  If you normally favor democrats then you clearly had your head in a dark smelly place.  Ooops, see that just slipped out demonstrating my bias.

 

Politicians say things to rile people up.  Does anyone really think Hillary is going to lead the charge to repeal the second amendment?  Nope.  Not any more than Trump is going to amend the constitution to make abortion illegal.  BTW, when Chris Mathews baited Trump with the abortion question Trump's answer was right.  What Mathews asked is, "if abortion was illegal should the woman who get's an abortion be punished".  The answer has to be yes if that is the law....otherwise what is the point of the law.....any law.

 

I never read the fact checks but I believe every politician will bend, stretch and flat out ignore the truth when they are trying to get elected.  My thinking is, don't p)iss on my back and tell me it's raining.  IOW, don't tell me ISIS is on the run when I watch the news and see the only place they are running to is the site of their next attack.  And don't tell me Hillary is going to take my guns but that is just going to happen.....ever. 

 

2016-07-29 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by chirunner134

Originally posted by velocomp

Originally posted by trigal38

I used to work as a home visitor for a federally funded program called Early Head Start. I did home visits with children ages birth to 3, I had about 8 clients I would see in a week. I grew up sheltered middle class, didn't know anything about food stamps, public housing etc. I got an education real fast. One of my clients I will never forget, she was 20 or 21 with 5 kids and one on the way. She had her first baby at the age of 14. She did not have an education, did not graduate high school and could not read very well. She got a job at McDonalds for a while. I would come for home visits and her loser, kind of scary significant other would be home with the toddler. He did not work and did not intend to as he collected disability. A few weeks passed and I caught a visit with Mom home. She had to quit her job at McDonalds because her pay was just enough to make her eligible for a medical card and food stamps. but clearly not enough to care for 5 kids. She was trying. She had no skills, 5 kids and not a lot of options. 

Just speaking as to why someone would try to raise a family on a minimum wage job. 

 

So I'm sure I'll get some questionable comments from what I am about to say, but I think the question that your story raises, is not why you would try to raise a family on Min. Wage (especially since it can affect your ability to get freebies), but more, who is ultimately responsible to take care of this family since they are idiots....  21 and soon to be 6 kids.  Sorry, not my responsibility.  Not my govt.'s responsibility.    

It should also be noted that there is a good chance that these kids will end up in the same place (very common).

 

Sad really.




I think Freakonomics talkes about infant morality rates and number of child people have. As infant morality went down number kids people have went down since you do not need as many children to ensure some of them reach adulthood. Also I believe poverty is another factor that works to increase infant morality rates.

Biology time and time again trumps logic.



I was most affected by the, "Sorry, not my responsibility. Not my govt.'s responsibility" comments.
The sentimental part of me is reminded of Pink Floyd's tune, "On the Turning Away."
It's easy to chastise the irresponsible procreators...but whether we like it or not, our society had a hand in creating that irresponsible adult who decided to create children they couldn't afford to feed.

I guess we could just listen to our Trumpian ids and angrily proclaim, "Cut 'em off! No more freebies! Fend for your selves! It's not our responsibility to feed, clothe, and school your children!!" We could probably write a 1000 page report detailing the negative impacts this would have on society...

Or, we could work towards ensuring we have social programs available, quality schools, early intervention (universal kindergarten that for some reason Conservatives oppose), AND Planned Parenthood to ensure female reproductive services are available to ALL women regardless of income level. We could ensure the next generation is more educated and empowered to make better choices. Just saying.


2016-07-29 1:43 PM
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Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by velocomp

Originally posted by trigal38

I used to work as a home visitor for a federally funded program called Early Head Start. I did home visits with children ages birth to 3, I had about 8 clients I would see in a week. I grew up sheltered middle class, didn't know anything about food stamps, public housing etc. I got an education real fast. One of my clients I will never forget, she was 20 or 21 with 5 kids and one on the way. She had her first baby at the age of 14. She did not have an education, did not graduate high school and could not read very well. She got a job at McDonalds for a while. I would come for home visits and her loser, kind of scary significant other would be home with the toddler. He did not work and did not intend to as he collected disability. A few weeks passed and I caught a visit with Mom home. She had to quit her job at McDonalds because her pay was just enough to make her eligible for a medical card and food stamps. but clearly not enough to care for 5 kids. She was trying. She had no skills, 5 kids and not a lot of options. 

Just speaking as to why someone would try to raise a family on a minimum wage job. 

 

So I'm sure I'll get some questionable comments from what I am about to say, but I think the question that your story raises, is not why you would try to raise a family on Min. Wage (especially since it can affect your ability to get freebies), but more, who is ultimately responsible to take care of this family since they are idiots....  21 and soon to be 6 kids.  Sorry, not my responsibility.  Not my govt.'s responsibility.    

It should also be noted that there is a good chance that these kids will end up in the same place (very common).

 

Sad really.

it is sad.  but this could happen to a married couple (maybe not quite as many kids?)  who's religion is against birth control right?

so basically we should do away with silly religions you say??? ok finally something we can agree on!

Actually I said nothing of the sorts.  I am just asking who should be responsible for the children (financially).  I say it should not be the Govt.. I say it should be the parents. You seem to be implying that if someone has a bunch of kids and can't afford them that it is our responsibility to pay for them.  That is all.  We disagree.  Ultimately the person who has them is the dumb one.  There are plenty of people who don't believe in birth control that don't have a flock of kids.  



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Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy  I was most affected by the, "Sorry, not my responsibility. Not my govt.'s responsibility" comments. The sentimental part of me is reminded of Pink Floyd's tune, "On the Turning Away." It's easy to chastise the irresponsible procreators...but whether we like it or not, our society had a hand in creating that irresponsible adult who decided to create children they couldn't afford to feed. I guess we could just listen to our Trumpian ids and angrily proclaim, "Cut 'em off! No more freebies! Fend for your selves! It's not our responsibility to feed, clothe, and school your children!!" We could probably write a 1000 page report detailing the negative impacts this would have on society... Or, we could work towards ensuring we have social programs available, quality schools, early intervention (universal kindergarten that for some reason Conservatives oppose), AND Planned Parenthood to ensure female reproductive services are available to ALL women regardless of income level. We could ensure the next generation is more educated and empowered to make better choices. Just saying.

I think we simplify this too much.  I believe it comes down to how much help should they receive.  And I think that we have created a "safety" net, that ends up encouraging this bad behavior (have 1 child get x$, 2 children get xx$.  And this leads people in these situations to the end result.  That is why I think it is more important to fix the system by clipping it's wings then continue down this road of encouraging bad behavior.

The same thing holds true for unemployment benefits and wellfare.  In many cases it is more important to not work to get the most benefits possible than it is to work to make a better future for yourself.  To me that is the sad part.  Personally I would be more in favor of forcing people to work for their benefits.  They could clean up parks, remove grafitti, all sorts of odd jobs.  They could work minimal hours (say 2-4 4 hour shifts so as not to interupt their primary job search.  Imagine all the good they could do for society, and it would definitely motivate them to find a job so they don't have to keep doing those jobs.

 

2016-07-29 8:02 PM
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Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy  I was most affected by the, "Sorry, not my responsibility. Not my govt.'s responsibility" comments. The sentimental part of me is reminded of Pink Floyd's tune, "On the Turning Away." It's easy to chastise the irresponsible procreators...but whether we like it or not, our society had a hand in creating that irresponsible adult who decided to create children they couldn't afford to feed. I guess we could just listen to our Trumpian ids and angrily proclaim, "Cut 'em off! No more freebies! Fend for your selves! It's not our responsibility to feed, clothe, and school your children!!" We could probably write a 1000 page report detailing the negative impacts this would have on society... Or, we could work towards ensuring we have social programs available, quality schools, early intervention (universal kindergarten that for some reason Conservatives oppose), AND Planned Parenthood to ensure female reproductive services are available to ALL women regardless of income level. We could ensure the next generation is more educated and empowered to make better choices. Just saying.

I think we simplify this too much.  I believe it comes down to how much help should they receive.  And I think that we have created a "safety" net, that ends up encouraging this bad behavior (have 1 child get x$, 2 children get xx$.  And this leads people in these situations to the end result.  That is why I think it is more important to fix the system by clipping it's wings then continue down this road of encouraging bad behavior.

The same thing holds true for unemployment benefits and wellfare.  In many cases it is more important to not work to get the most benefits possible than it is to work to make a better future for yourself.  To me that is the sad part.  Personally I would be more in favor of forcing people to work for their benefits.  They could clean up parks, remove grafitti, all sorts of odd jobs.  They could work minimal hours (say 2-4 4 hour shifts so as not to interupt their primary job search.  Imagine all the good they could do for society, and it would definitely motivate them to find a job so they don't have to keep doing those jobs.

 




Yes, but then there's that pesky problem of raising kids, ya know food, clothes, time spent together.
Back when "Workfare" was being rolled out, there were many stories of single moms being bussed out of the ghetto to where jobs existed, long bus rides, long hours, giving their kids more time to roam around parentless...it is soo much more complicated than just "cutting them off" or "clipping their wings."

How about a compromise that will never pass? Go back to the days of gov. surplus cheese and cheap pasta and beans and rice. Surplus fruits and veggies too. No more EBT cards. It'll never happen because the food industry makes a killing on food stamps.
But I like that idea.

btw, you've got unemployable folks out there, simply unemployable. Wanna throw 'en in jail? That'll cost us even more. Wanna hire 'em? I wouldn't in my business. It's so complicated.

2016-07-30 5:06 PM
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Originally posted by velocomp

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy  I was most affected by the, "Sorry, not my responsibility. Not my govt.'s responsibility" comments. The sentimental part of me is reminded of Pink Floyd's tune, "On the Turning Away." It's easy to chastise the irresponsible procreators...but whether we like it or not, our society had a hand in creating that irresponsible adult who decided to create children they couldn't afford to feed. I guess we could just listen to our Trumpian ids and angrily proclaim, "Cut 'em off! No more freebies! Fend for your selves! It's not our responsibility to feed, clothe, and school your children!!" We could probably write a 1000 page report detailing the negative impacts this would have on society... Or, we could work towards ensuring we have social programs available, quality schools, early intervention (universal kindergarten that for some reason Conservatives oppose), AND Planned Parenthood to ensure female reproductive services are available to ALL women regardless of income level. We could ensure the next generation is more educated and empowered to make better choices. Just saying.

I think we simplify this too much.  I believe it comes down to how much help should they receive.  And I think that we have created a "safety" net, that ends up encouraging this bad behavior (have 1 child get x$, 2 children get xx$.  And this leads people in these situations to the end result.  That is why I think it is more important to fix the system by clipping it's wings then continue down this road of encouraging bad behavior.

The same thing holds true for unemployment benefits and wellfare.  In many cases it is more important to not work to get the most benefits possible than it is to work to make a better future for yourself.  To me that is the sad part.  Personally I would be more in favor of forcing people to work for their benefits.  They could clean up parks, remove grafitti, all sorts of odd jobs.  They could work minimal hours (say 2-4 4 hour shifts so as not to interupt their primary job search.  Imagine all the good they could do for society, and it would definitely motivate them to find a job so they don't have to keep doing those jobs.

 

Yes, but then there's that pesky problem of raising kids, ya know food, clothes, time spent together. Back when "Workfare" was being rolled out, there were many stories of single moms being bussed out of the ghetto to where jobs existed, long bus rides, long hours, giving their kids more time to roam around parentless...it is soo much more complicated than just "cutting them off" or "clipping their wings." How about a compromise that will never pass? Go back to the days of gov. surplus cheese and cheap pasta and beans and rice. Surplus fruits and veggies too. No more EBT cards. It'll never happen because the food industry makes a killing on food stamps. But I like that idea. btw, you've got unemployable folks out there, simply unemployable. Wanna throw 'en in jail? That'll cost us even more. Wanna hire 'em? I wouldn't in my business. It's so complicated.

You bring up some good points, especially about what to do with kids.  But there has to be an answer.  I also do like the surplus food idea, but your right.  It would never pass because people would feel it was mean.

As for the unemployable.  Again, I say let them either do odd jobs for their wellfare or cut them off.  This would be only for those that actually could work.  Those that are determined to be unable to work (and they do exist), we do have to take care of.

2016-08-01 7:05 AM
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Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy  I was most affected by the, "Sorry, not my responsibility. Not my govt.'s responsibility" comments. The sentimental part of me is reminded of Pink Floyd's tune, "On the Turning Away." It's easy to chastise the irresponsible procreators...but whether we like it or not, our society had a hand in creating that irresponsible adult who decided to create children they couldn't afford to feed. I guess we could just listen to our Trumpian ids and angrily proclaim, "Cut 'em off! No more freebies! Fend for your selves! It's not our responsibility to feed, clothe, and school your children!!" We could probably write a 1000 page report detailing the negative impacts this would have on society... Or, we could work towards ensuring we have social programs available, quality schools, early intervention (universal kindergarten that for some reason Conservatives oppose), AND Planned Parenthood to ensure female reproductive services are available to ALL women regardless of income level. We could ensure the next generation is more educated and empowered to make better choices. Just saying.

I think we simplify this too much.  I believe it comes down to how much help should they receive.  And I think that we have created a "safety" net, that ends up encouraging this bad behavior (have 1 child get x$, 2 children get xx$.  And this leads people in these situations to the end result.  That is why I think it is more important to fix the system by clipping it's wings then continue down this road of encouraging bad behavior.

The same thing holds true for unemployment benefits and wellfare.  In many cases it is more important to not work to get the most benefits possible than it is to work to make a better future for yourself.  To me that is the sad part.  Personally I would be more in favor of forcing people to work for their benefits.  They could clean up parks, remove grafitti, all sorts of odd jobs.  They could work minimal hours (say 2-4 4 hour shifts so as not to interupt their primary job search.  Imagine all the good they could do for society, and it would definitely motivate them to find a job so they don't have to keep doing those jobs.

 

Yes, but then there's that pesky problem of raising kids, ya know food, clothes, time spent together. Back when "Workfare" was being rolled out, there were many stories of single moms being bussed out of the ghetto to where jobs existed, long bus rides, long hours, giving their kids more time to roam around parentless...it is soo much more complicated than just "cutting them off" or "clipping their wings." How about a compromise that will never pass? Go back to the days of gov. surplus cheese and cheap pasta and beans and rice. Surplus fruits and veggies too. No more EBT cards. It'll never happen because the food industry makes a killing on food stamps. But I like that idea. btw, you've got unemployable folks out there, simply unemployable. Wanna throw 'en in jail? That'll cost us even more. Wanna hire 'em? I wouldn't in my business. It's so complicated.

You bring up some good points, especially about what to do with kids.  But there has to be an answer.  I also do like the surplus food idea, but your right.  It would never pass because people would feel it was mean.

As for the unemployable.  Again, I say let them either do odd jobs for their wellfare or cut them off.  This would be only for those that actually could work.  Those that are determined to be unable to work (and they do exist), we do have to take care of.





I actually think there's a different reason why my plan to shift it from an EBT card to surplus food would fail...and it has more to do with the food industries. Those businesses would lose a LOT of business. From an economic standpoint, it would be a losing proposition for big food businesses, especially packaged crap food manufacturers. Unfortunately, the system's so perverted that we have "food" being purchased on food stamps that is devoid of nutritional value, and even the kids on stamps are hooked. Try getting them to eat beans and rice with surplus fruits and veggies? There'd be riots in the streets and a huge spike in crime.
There's no easy answer unfortunately.
btw, once you "cut them off" from welfare benefits, be prepared for a spike in crime and a spike in your prison population which WILL cost LOTS of money.
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