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 2017-02-08 9:30 PM in reply to: Moonrocket |
Pro  15655    |  Subject: RE: Exucation SecOriginally posted by Moonrocket Originally posted by Left Brain I totally agree with this. There are a lot of problems/ logistics that go hand in hand with the broken families that make it harder. I run a fairly big PTO fundraiser for my daughter's STEM charter. (We have a 6 figure PTO budget). I decided to reach out to our local title 1 school to see if any of the things we were doing I could help them incorporate. I learned a lot. Most of the things we do are not going to work for them and have been unsuccessfully tried in the past. We did come up with two ideas to try (publicizing their restaurant fundraisers to our population- we have been known to have lines wrapping around the block at ours and a book drive where we have families donate lightly used books so we can try and send kids home with a few books of their own for the summer). It was a lot harder than what we do. They said transportation is a huge block to doing more. I also sat on a school district advisory committee and heard that attendance is a huge issue especially in the month of December as many travel to visit relatives. Single parent families have less flexibility. The school is actually making huge strides though. They have a big robotics program and are doing a huge college awareness push. Every classroom and the doors are decked out with stuff from the teacher's alma matter. I was actually really impressed with what they had going on. They were building a community and culture of possibilities and you could feel the energy. That said they were doing it with a few volunteers from local churches (vs our school where every family has to volunteer 30 hours a year and a lot volunteer much more. We also have a lot of parents that are engineers and scientists that partake in special events- you don't walk the hall without seeing multiple parents helping in various ways). We are lucky that our district has been trying really hard to create a great environment for all students. We have schools that have been nationally recognized for their achievement with a challenging demographic profile. This is the community I want to live in. One where we work together to overcome challenges for all. Originally posted by goforit I like and appreciate your input LB. You are one of my all time favorites on BT, but i think you are off on this one. Either way, i hope OUR education system improves. Yeah, I know it's off the party line....I get it. The thing is, I've spent a great deal of time around very poor people struggling to get by. I want them to have the same opportunities we all have......and I know that it doesn't always work out that way. I'll settle for really good schools for their children because I think it would make all the difference in their lives. All we do now is throw money at the problem....and it's been a dismal failure because it doesn't provide real opportunity to change what has become a cultural norm in the inner cities.. How about we put some real resources and talent into educating the kids of this generation. In the end, we are going to pay either way.....how do you want to pay? You want to build more prisons or more schools? We can't have the two parent homes that Rogllio wants if half of that household is locked up or dead. Education is the key to almost everything. Yes.....you got it right. There are only two options to change the inner city culture of welfare or despair IMO. 1 - remove the children from their parents as they are born and place them in an environment of learning and promise. (can't happen) 2 - build schools where learning and the promise of a self-sufficient life are paramount.....a real opportunity to escape the poverty cycle. (surely could happen) I hear President Trump touting his plan for creating jobs through re-building our infrastructure. Let's start with schools in the inner city. |
| 2017-02-08 10:31 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Extreme Veteran 3025   Maryland | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec instead he just greenlights pipelines to make the rich richer |
| 2017-02-09 7:32 AM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. |
| 2017-02-09 9:19 AM in reply to: Rogillio |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. |
| 2017-02-09 9:41 AM in reply to: Bob Loblaw |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by Bob Loblaw Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. |
| 2017-02-09 11:20 AM in reply to: Rogillio |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. common misconception i keep seeing. Being rich doesn't always mean you're a successful businessperson....it just means you're rich. |
| 2017-02-09 12:00 PM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. common misconception i keep seeing. Being rich doesn't always mean you're a successful businessperson....it just means you're rich. Good point. I said the same thing about John Kerry when he ran for POTUS. He was rich. He made money the old fashioned way....me married it. Married the heir to the Heinz fortune who bought him a seat as a US Senator. |
| 2017-02-09 2:07 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
| Deep in the Heart of Texas | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by dmiller5 Good point. I said the same thing about John Kerry when he ran for POTUS. He was rich. He made money the old fashioned way....me married it. Married the heir to the Heinz fortune who bought him a seat as a US Senator. Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. common misconception i keep seeing. Being rich doesn't always mean you're a successful businessperson....it just means you're rich. Except that John Kerry was in the U.S. Senate 10 years prior to being married to Teresa Heinz. |
| 2017-02-09 2:52 PM in reply to: Hook'em |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by Hook'em Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by dmiller5 Good point. I said the same thing about John Kerry when he ran for POTUS. He was rich. He made money the old fashioned way....me married it. Married the heir to the Heinz fortune who bought him a seat as a US Senator. Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. common misconception i keep seeing. Being rich doesn't always mean you're a successful businessperson....it just means you're rich. Except that John Kerry was in the U.S. Senate 10 years prior to being married to Teresa Heinz. Damn! I can't get away with anything around here! But let's tell the whole story: Julia Thorne, Kerry's first wife, had fortune of over $100 million. They were married in 1970. In February 1972, Kerry's wife bought a house in Worcester, with Kerry intending to run against the 4th district's ageing thirteen-term incumbent Democrat, Harold Donohue. Just an few inconvenient facts. Oh wait, that was Algore.... |
| 2017-02-09 4:24 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Hook'em Damn! I can't get away with anything around here! But let's tell the whole story: Julia Thorne, Kerry's first wife, had fortune of over $100 million. They were married in 1970. In February 1972, Kerry's wife bought a house in Worcester, with Kerry intending to run against the 4th district's ageing thirteen-term incumbent Democrat, Harold Donohue. Just an few inconvenient facts. Oh wait, that was Algore.... Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by dmiller5 Good point. I said the same thing about John Kerry when he ran for POTUS. He was rich. He made money the old fashioned way....me married it. Married the heir to the Heinz fortune who bought him a seat as a US Senator. Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. common misconception i keep seeing. Being rich doesn't always mean you're a successful businessperson....it just means you're rich. Except that John Kerry was in the U.S. Senate 10 years prior to being married to Teresa Heinz. and kerry is a proven statesman, didn't run on the idea of being a rich dude....none of your arguments really make much sense dude. its a not a problem with her being wealthy that everyone is concerned about, its her complete lack of experience or ability to run the department to which she has been appointed. |
| 2017-02-09 5:31 PM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Hook'em Damn! I can't get away with anything around here! But let's tell the whole story: Julia Thorne, Kerry's first wife, had fortune of over $100 million. They were married in 1970. In February 1972, Kerry's wife bought a house in Worcester, with Kerry intending to run against the 4th district's ageing thirteen-term incumbent Democrat, Harold Donohue. Just an few inconvenient facts. Oh wait, that was Algore.... Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by dmiller5 Good point. I said the same thing about John Kerry when he ran for POTUS. He was rich. He made money the old fashioned way....me married it. Married the heir to the Heinz fortune who bought him a seat as a US Senator. Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. common misconception i keep seeing. Being rich doesn't always mean you're a successful businessperson....it just means you're rich. Except that John Kerry was in the U.S. Senate 10 years prior to being married to Teresa Heinz. and kerry is a proven statesman, didn't run on the idea of being a rich dude....none of your arguments really make much sense dude. its a not a problem with her being wealthy that everyone is concerned about, its her complete lack of experience or ability to run the department to which she has been appointed. First off, I'm not your dude. Second, Kerry is a proven lier. Ask his fellow swift boaters. Third, I am sorry you don't understand my arguments. In the future I will try to explain my 'arguments' better. But really it doesn't matter. I didn't care if she was confirmed or not. Of all the nominations she seems the least qualified. But I don't know her. If she fails to deliver I have confidence Trump will fire her. But I don't think that will happen. It is my experience that there is a certain type of person that succeed at whatever they put their hands to. I've seen it over and over in life. Maybe Trump sees that in her. At any rate, nobody from Congress consulted me nor do they care what random people post on off-topic triathlon forums. Cheers. :-) |
| 2017-02-10 9:10 AM in reply to: Rogillio |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by dmiller5 First off, I'm not your dude. Second, Kerry is a proven lier. Ask his fellow swift boaters. Third, I am sorry you don't understand my arguments. In the future I will try to explain my 'arguments' better. But really it doesn't matter. I didn't care if she was confirmed or not. Of all the nominations she seems the least qualified. But I don't know her. If she fails to deliver I have confidence Trump will fire her. But I don't think that will happen. It is my experience that there is a certain type of person that succeed at whatever they put their hands to. I've seen it over and over in life. Maybe Trump sees that in her. At any rate, nobody from Congress consulted me nor do they care what random people post on off-topic triathlon forums. Cheers. :-) Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Hook'em Damn! I can't get away with anything around here! But let's tell the whole story: Julia Thorne, Kerry's first wife, had fortune of over $100 million. They were married in 1970. In February 1972, Kerry's wife bought a house in Worcester, with Kerry intending to run against the 4th district's ageing thirteen-term incumbent Democrat, Harold Donohue. Just an few inconvenient facts. Oh wait, that was Algore.... Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by dmiller5 Good point. I said the same thing about John Kerry when he ran for POTUS. He was rich. He made money the old fashioned way....me married it. Married the heir to the Heinz fortune who bought him a seat as a US Senator. Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. common misconception i keep seeing. Being rich doesn't always mean you're a successful businessperson....it just means you're rich. Except that John Kerry was in the U.S. Senate 10 years prior to being married to Teresa Heinz. and kerry is a proven statesman, didn't run on the idea of being a rich dude....none of your arguments really make much sense dude. its a not a problem with her being wealthy that everyone is concerned about, its her complete lack of experience or ability to run the department to which she has been appointed. My dude!! |
| 2017-02-10 10:02 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by dmiller5 First off, I'm not your dude. Second, Kerry is a proven lier. Ask his fellow swift boaters. Third, I am sorry you don't understand my arguments. In the future I will try to explain my 'arguments' better. But really it doesn't matter. I didn't care if she was confirmed or not. Of all the nominations she seems the least qualified. But I don't know her. If she fails to deliver I have confidence Trump will fire her. But I don't think that will happen. It is my experience that there is a certain type of person that succeed at whatever they put their hands to. I've seen it over and over in life. Maybe Trump sees that in her. At any rate, nobody from Congress consulted me nor do they care what random people post on off-topic triathlon forums. Cheers. :-) Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Hook'em Damn! I can't get away with anything around here! But let's tell the whole story: Julia Thorne, Kerry's first wife, had fortune of over $100 million. They were married in 1970. In February 1972, Kerry's wife bought a house in Worcester, with Kerry intending to run against the 4th district's ageing thirteen-term incumbent Democrat, Harold Donohue. Just an few inconvenient facts. Oh wait, that was Algore.... Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by dmiller5 Good point. I said the same thing about John Kerry when he ran for POTUS. He was rich. He made money the old fashioned way....me married it. Married the heir to the Heinz fortune who bought him a seat as a US Senator. Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. common misconception i keep seeing. Being rich doesn't always mean you're a successful businessperson....it just means you're rich. Except that John Kerry was in the U.S. Senate 10 years prior to being married to Teresa Heinz. and kerry is a proven statesman, didn't run on the idea of being a rich dude....none of your arguments really make much sense dude. its a not a problem with her being wealthy that everyone is concerned about, its her complete lack of experience or ability to run the department to which she has been appointed. My dude!! You're not my type either....although your pig tails are kinda cute. ;-) |
| 2017-02-10 12:13 PM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. common misconception i keep seeing. Being rich doesn't always mean you're a successful businessperson....it just means you're rich. The vast majority of people in the US who are rich are first generation rich. There are many ways to make money, but with rare exception (lottery, etc) they all involve very hard work and discipline. |
| 2017-02-10 12:14 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Friend posted this on FB. Made me laugh: |
| 2017-02-11 7:37 AM in reply to: tuwood |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. common misconception i keep seeing. Being rich doesn't always mean you're a successful businessperson....it just means you're rich. The vast majority of people in the US who are rich are first generation rich. There are many ways to make money, but with rare exception (lottery, etc) they all involve very hard work and discipline. you literally just made all of that up. |
| 2017-02-11 7:46 AM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by dmiller5 Just because it doesn't fit your prejudice doesn't make it untrue.According to the Cato institute over 80% of millionaires are first generation Millionaires, which means they worked for their money. If you also notice, the majority of people that inherit money squander it because they're not hard working or disciplined.Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. common misconception i keep seeing. Being rich doesn't always mean you're a successful businessperson....it just means you're rich. The vast majority of people in the US who are rich are first generation rich. There are many ways to make money, but with rare exception (lottery, etc) they all involve very hard work and discipline. you literally just made all of that up. |
| 2017-02-11 8:19 AM in reply to: tuwood |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by dmiller5 Just because it doesn't fit your prejudice doesn't make it untrue.According to the Cato institute over 80% of millionaires are first generation Millionaires, which means they worked for their money. If you also notice, the majority of people that inherit money squander it because they're not hard working or disciplined. Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. common misconception i keep seeing. Being rich doesn't always mean you're a successful businessperson....it just means you're rich. The vast majority of people in the US who are rich are first generation rich. There are many ways to make money, but with rare exception (lottery, etc) they all involve very hard work and discipline. you literally just made all of that up. I am not sure what defines a millionaire these days but if it means you have over a million in assets I qualify.....yes, the little boy who was on welfare at 8 years old who put himself through college and worked hard and saved....... BTW. A million ain't what it used to be..... |
| 2017-02-11 8:29 AM in reply to: Rogillio |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Exucation Sec Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by tuwood I am not sure what defines a millionaire these days but if it means you have over a million in assets I qualify.....yes, the little boy who was on welfare at 8 years old who put himself through college and worked hard and saved....... BTW. A million ain't what it used to be..... Originally posted by dmiller5 Just because it doesn't fit your prejudice doesn't make it untrue.According to the Cato institute over 80% of millionaires are first generation Millionaires, which means they worked for their money. If you also notice, the majority of people that inherit money squander it because they're not hard working or disciplined. Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw See, she knows how to spend money! :-) Honestly I have no idea. I thought she was a businesswoman.....maybe I am misinformed. Originally posted by Rogillio 3. Work on building families thru local/community churches and outreaches including mentorship, big brother programs. 4. Bring back manufacturing jobs to inner cities so there are decent paying wages 5. Encourage more vo-tech careers such as welders, construction workers, mechanics, etc. Allow students to complete the last 2 years of HS at a vo-tech learning a trade/skill 6. Provide vouchers to low income families that want to send their children to private school. Figure out what the government currently pays per student per year and make that the amount of the voucher. 7. Encourage more private schools by providing government subsidies to new schools 8. Provide incentives for major corporations to provide summer programs for inner city kids 9. Provide cash incentives to students who excel. i.e if you get an A in math you get a dime bag of pot. Or maybe a cell phone. I could go on and on and on. There is not a simple, quick fix. There are a lot of things that will help and on one or 3 things will fix the problem. That is why you need someone at the helm who can effectively manage $70 billion dollars to get the most bang for the buck. And that does not mean someone who had taught school for 30 years in the inner city. It means someone with executive experience who can assemble a staff of experts and implement decision processes to deciding the best courses of action. Ok, so putting everything else aside, why do you think Betsy Devos is qualified to do the one thing you say is required for this position? What's her executive experience? Her father was a ridiculously successful businessman, so is her brother, her husband, and her father in law. But near as I can tell, it doesn't look like she's anything more than a socialite and a lobbyist spending her family fortune. common misconception i keep seeing. Being rich doesn't always mean you're a successful businessperson....it just means you're rich. The vast majority of people in the US who are rich are first generation rich. There are many ways to make money, but with rare exception (lottery, etc) they all involve very hard work and discipline. you literally just made all of that up. It's definitely not what it used to be. Most people consider net worth to be the total of all your assets minus all liabilities. So if you have a $1M house, but owe $900k on it then you get $100k of net worth from it. I think it was Zig Ziglar who said "If you aim at nothing, you will hit it 100% of the time"
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