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 2017-02-15 9:50 AM |
 4 |  Subject: Help...Started Zone 2 Training...have to walkHello Everyone! I am a beginner so please bear with me. I started running 2-3 years ago. I ran three 13.1s at the end of 2016 and now wanted to begin training for a run/bike/run for 2017 and potentially a triathlon in 2018. I am by no means competitive. I average 10:30 on my 13.1. I started doing research on training and found that I have should have been training in Zone 2. My max HR is 193. I used Garmin's calculation for LT to determine zones. My zone 2 is supposedly 131 - 146. In the past I just went out and ran and gradually got better. My HR was always always in zone 4. Now I try to run in zone 2 and I can't go slow enough to keep my HR in zone 2. I ended up having to walk for an hour. I'm concerned on how long it will take for me to actually run. I hate walking. Any thoughts/advice? Also, is there a better way to calculate my zones? |
| 2017-02-15 10:54 AM in reply to: #5213573 |
595  | Subject: RE: Help...Started Zone 2 Training...have to walk Not an expert. Could validate your zones with a fit test or just abandon zone training. Because it works for some doesn't mean it's the best way for you |
| 2017-02-15 2:37 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 6582   Melbourne FL Gold member | Subject: RE: Help...Started Zone 2 Training...have to walk Best to forget about methods using max hr... Read this BT article, you should have no problem doing the field test. BT has the HR zone calculator to find the HR zones based on the LTHR threshold test or I attached a little spreadsheet to use. You should be able to input and use manual zones in the Garmin. I had good correlation with LTHR zones and training paces from McMillan's run calculator using run race times from 5k to 13.1. With either I was able to dial in my RPE pretty good and not have to rely on technology. Edited by Donto 2017-02-15 2:38 PM Attachments ---------------- LTHR Zone Calculator.xlsx (17KB - 86 downloads) |
| 2017-02-15 2:44 PM in reply to: Donto |
409 Durham, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Help...Started Zone 2 Training...have to walk Try running at "conversation pace." Basically you should be able to hold a conversation with a running buddy without stopping and without too much trouble. Since I run alone I either try to talk to myself or sing a song out loud. |
| 2017-02-15 2:49 PM in reply to: Donto |
| 4 | Subject: RE: Help...Started Zone 2 Training...have to walk Pro...Thank you for the references. Do you think the LT that Garmin auto populates is good enough or should I do the guided test? |
| 2017-02-15 5:14 PM in reply to: streetsnake |
Expert 1074 Tyrone, Georgia | Subject: RE: Help...Started Zone 2 Training...have to walk In my opinion do the guided test if you want better zones. Be prepared to probably run slower than you are used to initially. |
| 2017-02-15 6:43 PM in reply to: streetsnake |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Help...Started Zone 2 Training...have to walk Originally posted by streetsnake Hello Everyone! I am a beginner so please bear with me. I started running 2-3 years ago. I ran three 13.1s at the end of 2016 and now wanted to begin training for a run/bike/run for 2017 and potentially a triathlon in 2018. I am by no means competitive. I average 10:30 on my 13.1. I started doing research on training and found that I have should have been training in Zone 2. My max HR is 193. I used Garmin's calculation for LT to determine zones. My zone 2 is supposedly 131 - 146. In the past I just went out and ran and gradually got better. My HR was always always in zone 4. Now I try to run in zone 2 and I can't go slow enough to keep my HR in zone 2. I ended up having to walk for an hour. I'm concerned on how long it will take for me to actually run. I hate walking. Any thoughts/advice? Also, is there a better way to calculate my zones? Take your 13.1 results, plug them into McMillan or Daniel's calculators and get an Easy pace. Run at that pace and see where your HR lands. |
| 2017-02-15 8:59 PM in reply to: marcag |
| 4 | Subject: RE: Help...Started Zone 2 Training...have to walk Thx everyone. I looked at the training paces and will give them a shot tomorrow. |
| 2017-02-16 12:29 PM in reply to: streetsnake |
| 4 | Subject: RE: Help...Started Zone 2 Training...have to walk Update: So I tried the McMillian calculations based on by last 13.1 to come up with a training pace and it still was too fast. ugh. I also used my resting HR to put into Garmin to give me new HR zones, which where higher (Z2 146-158) but I still had to walk a lot. I was speaking my address and was ok but I kept exceeding the Z2. I did an hour run/walk with a HR avg. of 157 and a max of 168 with a pace of 15:00/mi (setting the ground on fire). Also, it said my "training effect" was 5.0 which is confusing because when I normally go run for an hour I'm always in Z4 and it doesn't say 5.0??? Hopefully if I keep at it for awhile it will start to come back down but I hate to walk. Maybe it's because I haven't run for awhile. |
| 2017-02-16 12:40 PM in reply to: 0 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Help...Started Zone 2 Training...have to walk First let me say I'm not a coach and I have very little experience using a HR monitor so take this for what it's worth. If I were you, I wouldn't worry about the numbers right now. Do what Marc suggested about the Mcmillan/Daniels paces and see how that feels. If it feels easy then great but be honest with yourself! For me, easy means that when I finish the run I feel like I could turn around and do it again. Easy doesn't mean "not hard"! Edited by axteraa 2017-02-16 12:42 PM |
| 2017-02-16 12:59 PM in reply to: streetsnake |
Expert 4623 Middle River, Maryland Silver member | Subject: RE: Help...Started Zone 2 Training...have to walk Originally posted by streetsnake Update: So I tried the McMillian calculations based on by last 13.1 to come up with a training pace and it still was too fast. ugh. I also used my resting HR to put into Garmin to give me new HR zones, which where higher (Z2 146-158) but I still had to walk a lot. I was speaking my address and was ok but I kept exceeding the Z2. I did an hour run/walk with a HR avg. of 157 and a max of 168 with a pace of 15:00/mi (setting the ground on fire). Also, it said my "training effect" was 5.0 which is confusing because when I normally go run for an hour I'm always in Z4 and it doesn't say 5.0??? Hopefully if I keep at it for awhile it will start to come back down but I hate to walk. Maybe it's because I haven't run for awhile. Ignore that "training effect" garbage. Even if it were accurate (highly suspect), there are way too many more other variables. Also, your resting heart rate, while part of your HR profile, also isn't very accurate to predict HR zones. The best way to do it is to go race a given distance and figure it out from there. A 10K raced in an hour or so would give you a decent indicator of your zone 4 HR, and there are a bunch of calculators out there that will pull in the zones for you from that data point. |
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