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2006-10-24 5:20 PM
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Viking08 - 2006-10-24 3:16 PM i'm definitly going to stick with it, but i've been feeling pretty hungry, especially after school, so i might add whole grain pasta once a day. Is that how you felt at the beginning, Kathy and Joel? Also, do you cook up a lot of meat for the week or the next day? thanks for all the replies.

I wasn't hungry just missed somethings. If you are hungry eat more. Often I'll eat 3-4 apples & 2-3 banannas in a day plus two super large spinach salads and other veggies. I find eating a bigger breakfast helps...add protein to your breakfast..I typically eat 350 min. calories for breakfast. I try to skew my food intake to before dinner...more and less at dinner and later in evening.

We have meat every night, but I have 5 kids so we cook for dinner. I have left overs for lunch. I will snack sometimes on turkey or chicken breast...protein keeps me from feeling hungry.

I'd stronger encourage you not to add whole wheat pasta unless you eat it within 30 minutes of a long workout...and not at all if you can. I'd recommend more sweet potatos or wild rice which aren't on the program but more in line with natural unprocessed food that whole wheat pasta. 

 

2006-10-24 5:35 PM
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I agree with what Kathy suggests about the wheat pasta, and how she arranges her intake heavier earlier in the day.  Start with a nice big breakfast and aim to have 80% of your daily calories in before dinner (assuming you don't train after dinner).  I like lowfat string cheese, cottage cheese, and lowfat yogurt and they are all good sources of protein and calcium so I'm not dropping them...it's my own personal adjustment to the diet.  I eat a lot of scrambled eggs and fruit for breakfast.  I pick up a case of egg beaters at Costco and cook up 1/2 cup beaters with 1 whole egg and a little lowfat cheddar.  Pop it in the microwave and you've got scrambled eggs in 2min.  I'll typically eat a banana or 1/2 a cantaloupe along with the eggs.  I've come to eat a lot of Lean Cuisine Carb-Conscious meals for lunch.  It's not that I'm restricting my carbs but they are mostly meat and veggies, then I include fresh fruit again.  Snacks are fresh fruit, nuts, fresh veggies, cottage cheese, cheese sticks, and yogurt.  For dinner I'll typically have a very large spinach salad (like a 2qt mixing bowl big) with mushrooms, tomato, onion, a little feta, olive oil and balsamic.  I cook dinner just about every night (chicken, pork chops, beef or pork loin, steak, salmon, catfish) and a lot of veggies.  I like fresh broccoli, asparagus, green beans, and brussel sprouts...always steamed, boiling will leach away some of the good stuff.  Fresh frozen veggies are also very good choices.  They maintain all of their nutritional value and don't require any preservatives like canned options.  I pick up big back of frozen stir-fry veggies from Costco and cook them up in a wok with some olive oil.  If I'm feeling like extra carbs at dinner I'll cook up a sweet potato, fresh corn, acorn squash or brown rice/wheat pasta every once in a while.  A little variety won't hurt but I try to limit my brown rice and pastas in favor of the other options.
2006-10-24 9:15 PM
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I've tried the paleo diet a la Gordo Byrn. To be quite honest, I didn't have very much success. In fact, I felt as if I lost muscle as a result of my deficient calorie intake. I'm very, very conscious of my eating pattern-6 small meals, over 150 grams of protein at minimum per day, and I'm a firm believer in whole grains-portion control, I've found, is key.
2006-10-24 9:24 PM
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You should not have had a calorie deficit.  Paleo diet is not about calorie restriction or cutting carbs.  It's about replacing certain carb sources with others.  You'll find that it takes a lot of fresh fruit to replace a couple servings of pasta and whole grains.  I probably average 15 servings of fruit and veggies each day and maybe 1-2 servings of other carb sources, not including my Accelerade and Endurox.
2006-10-24 9:33 PM
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Allow me to be more specific. At 5'11, 168 pounds and approximately 8% bf, I felt unable to find the sustenance with fruits and veggies vs. whole grains. I became constantly hungry through-out my 4 months on Paleo and my performance suffered. After a 1/2 Iron feeling flat, I immediately switched and found traction once more. I tinkered with Paleo as I trained for ultra's afterwards, and again, became flat.

I'm confident no-one specific eating pattern fits all.
2006-10-24 9:56 PM
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Good point there...everyone needs to experiment and find what works best for them.  I'm similar to you...5'9", 160 7-8% BF and for the most part a modified Paleo diet seems to work well for me.  I still rely heavily on my sports drinks and recovery drink and from time to time I crave things like Cliff Bars so I eat them.  Bottom line is that any "diet" that leaves you feeling hungry or unsatisfied needs to be adjusted.  We're eating for performance as opposed to weight management so being hungry is not acceptable.

2006-10-24 9:57 PM
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Why do people need to mess with gimmick diets?  I though it was all a matter of Carbs, fat, Proteins.  Does it really matter where your body gets them? 

2006-10-24 10:01 PM
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IMO, yes, it does matter where your macronutrients come from.  For example a diet of potato chips and peanuts would give you plenty of protein, carbs, and fat but I'd hardly consider it an optimal diet.  Maybe an extreme example but it should illustrate the point.  And perhaps just as importantly, it matters when you eat specific things if you really want to maximize your potential. 
2006-10-24 10:01 PM
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We're eating for performance as opposed to weight management so being hungry is not acceptable.


Amen, brotha. I must say I never engaged in Paleo for weight loss purposes, rather sport-specific benefits. I just find that smart portion control and a variety of nutrients from organic, healthy meats, whole-grains, and veggies works best for me personally.
2006-10-24 10:07 PM
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Not sure how this qualifies as a gimmick.

And you go ahead and get all of your carbs, far, and protein from pizza and ice cream for the next ten years.  Then tell me if you think it matters.

tkbslc - 2006-10-24 9:57 PM

Why do people need to mess with gimmick diets?  I though it was all a matter of Carbs, fat, Proteins.  Does it really matter where your body gets them? 

2006-10-24 10:21 PM
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DerekL - 2006-10-24 9:07 PM

Not sure how this qualifies as a gimmick.

And you go ahead and get all of your carbs, far, and protein from pizza and ice cream for the next ten years. Then tell me if you think it matters.

tkbslc - 2006-10-24 9:57 PM

Why do people need to mess with gimmick diets? I though it was all a matter of Carbs, fat, Proteins. Does it really matter where your body gets them?

I used the word gimmick because he had eliminated all dairy and grains.   Seems extreme to me.  I haven't read the book, so I shouldn't have commented, I just get tired of hearing about a new diet every 3 months. 

I think you could argue that pizza and ice cream,  if eaten in the right quantites, could provide an acceptable level of balanced nutrition.   

2006-10-24 10:23 PM
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I'd love to hear that argument.  I doubt you'd find many people that would agree with that.

tkbslc - 2006-10-24 10:21 PM

I think you could argue that pizza and ice cream,  if eaten in the right quantites, could provide an acceptable level of balanced nutrition.   

2006-10-24 10:51 PM
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Okay, I will admit you can't eat junk all the time and be healthy.  But, if you are eating a wide variety of foods you will be fine.  No need to limit it to caveman foods, etc.    Pizza and ice cream can be PART of a balanced  diet.   Pizza is actually a good balanced food if you get less meat and more veggies as toppings and eat only a couple slices instead of half a pizza like most people.   I guess that is the point I was trying to make.  As long as you are keeping ratios and quantities in check you should be OK with just about any mix of foods.   If you take it to the extreme of chips only or pizza only you can't keep your ratios in line and get enough calories.  

I didn't mean to start an argument.  Like I said, I never read the book, so I should not have commented.   

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