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2007-01-30 11:14 AM

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2007-01-30 11:18 AM
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- 2007-01-30 11:14 AM My brother has a sneaky plan to draft in the swim off each other. We train together and are a similar speed, he wants to swim hard for 750 and then draft for the second 750. Where I would draft for 750 and swim hard for 750. I think its a pretty excellent plan, However I don't think that our heats will be together ever. He being male and me being female. Both 25-30 AG though. I kinda think this isn't too fair for other people.

No complaints from me, so long as you don't mind me playing with your feet for 1500 meters.

2007-01-30 11:20 AM
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Drafting in the swim is normal.  In fact, you're supposed to look for a pair of feet to follow.  Or so I've been told.

Few people swim as slowly as I do, so I only get to draft for a bit, until they drop me.   

2007-01-30 11:23 AM
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It's very fair on paper.  In practice, good luck.  That is no different that 2 runners working with each other into the wind.  Granted, usually the person who's feet you're on doesn't know you're there. 

And for those who can draft in the swim, (I can't...I've tried).  It's poor form to pass with 25 meters to go if you've been sitting on feet the whole time.

sorry for the Hijack...had to rant a bit.

2007-01-30 11:24 AM
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Is this for Delta. If it is, then I say, "No fair." Or else, let me join you.

Is Rob in the 25-30 AG? I thought he was the same age as me? The age group is 25-29 and because they count your age on Dec. 31st of the year, I moved up to 30-34.

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2007-01-30 11:25 AM
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Actually this can't be Delta, as Delta is only 700m. At UBC you guys will definitely be in different heats as men & women go separately. I don't think Rob got into Alcatraz, so I think your plan is shot.

However I still think you two are in different age groups.



2007-01-30 11:29 AM
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2007-01-30 11:33 AM
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Yeah I'm turning 29 this year too.

I'd be up for this for Delta. Rob, you and I had a pretty excellent thing going on last Wednesday. But yeah it might be hard to arrange because people only start one at a time.

Let's think this through a bit. The BT community doesn't think it's cheating, so I think we should try.

2007-01-30 11:35 AM
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Get a few more people and set up a pace line.
2007-01-30 11:45 AM
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In a tri, it's not cheating because there is no rule barring it.  Just because you set it up beforehand (een if it'll probably never happen) doesn't make it wrong, IMHO.

In some swims, however, it is not allowed and would be considered cheating.



2007-01-30 11:49 AM
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2007-01-30 12:05 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim: team drafting - Cheating
I think it would be a hell of a lot more productive to just find someone in your own wave who's going the right speed to draft off, rather than trying to meet up mid-way from different waves. In fact, then you can draft the whole way, rather than having to lead half...
2007-01-30 12:13 PM
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miscullen looking at your avatar it would be a pleasure to draft you! Just hope your doing an Ironman or even better a double, triple or even a deca! Cool

2007-01-30 12:21 PM
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...as long as you don't mind arriving slower than you came out. The chances that he matches your speed exactly are slim, but the chances one person out of 400 does is good.

Hijack anecdote:
2000 olympics canadian swim ing camp: The coaches made everyone do many 400s, but said the entire team will be released from the torture if someone could beat their PB. So three sprinters pulled the distance swimmer each for a 100 to make him beat his PB.


2007-01-30 12:29 PM
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2007-01-30 12:55 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim: team drafting - Cheating
yeah not sure how you can only draft for half the swim. it would mean 1 speeding up the other momentary slowing down some in thoery plus to cooridante in the water. I guess you can use a bowy as a marker but I think drafting really does help honestly.
2007-01-30 3:11 PM
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Yeah let's practice. Just for fun anyway.
2007-01-30 7:07 PM
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DrLeah - 2007-01-30 9:49 AM

jeng - 2007-01-30 9:25 AM

 At UBC you guys will definitely be in different heats as men & women go separately.

I seem to recall there being men & women in the heats for UBC. I think they seed it by expected time, not by AG/sex.



That's my memory of UBC last year...guys and gals lined up by swim time. How many other BT-ers will be there this year? Apologies for the hijack..


Megz

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2007-01-30 7:18 PM
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I kinda side with Dan on this one.  I've tried to draft in swimming, but people don't keep consistent pace, they change direction, and anytime they sight they slow down.  It's a constant game of bumper cars.

I wonder if the benefit of drafing is more than negated by the strokes cut short / bad catch / involuntary re-routes due to hitting feet for the above reasons.  I think I'll swim solo, thanks, I just haven't been able to make it work for me.



2007-01-31 10:27 AM
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I've never had much success drafting in the swim. Hard to match speeds, inconsistancy, etc. I did have one race where it seemed to be going great, perfect pace for me, no sudden changes...then I realized I was drafting off a buoy that was anchored. Oh, well.
2007-01-31 1:03 PM
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HankJKy - 2007-01-31 8:27 AM I've never had much success drafting in the swim. Hard to match speeds, inconsistancy, etc. I did have one race where it seemed to be going great, perfect pace for me, no sudden changes...then I realized I was drafting off a buoy that was anchored. Oh, well.

LOL, good visual

I must get lucky then, I've had a few tris and the two long swims I've done where I've gotten some very good drafts, in the swim along the line of a full mile.  When it works, it really works.  Judging whom to draft off of is hard, though

2007-01-31 6:30 PM
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That's really funny Hank.

I've always had really good luck drafting in a pool and the Delta tri is a pool swim. So's the UBC tri.

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