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2007-09-07 1:11 PM
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"Finish top 3 of 250+ at the Chicago Triathlon. Now that is a challege."
I was number 3 :D



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Subject: RE: Clydes/Athena's vs. Age Groups
kblahetka - 2007-09-07 1:11 PM

"Finish top 3 of 250+ at the Chicago Triathlon. Now that is a challege."
I was number 3 :D



man your the guy I dislike. . good job. I wanted to get there but I just did not drop the weight.
2007-09-07 4:13 PM
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chirunner134 - 2007-09-07 1:58 PM

kblahetka - 2007-09-07 1:11 PM

"Finish top 3 of 250+ at the Chicago Triathlon. Now that is a challege."
I was number 3 :D



man your the guy I dislike. . good job. I wanted to get there but I just did not drop the weight.

They are supposed to mail me the prize, but I have yet to see it.

We met before the race if you rember, I cam up and intoduced myself just as we were to line up for our wave.
2007-09-07 4:31 PM
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Subject: RE: Clydes/Athena's vs. Age Groups
kblahetka - 2007-09-07 4:13 PM

chirunner134 - 2007-09-07 1:58 PM

kblahetka - 2007-09-07 1:11 PM

"Finish top 3 of 250+ at the Chicago Triathlon. Now that is a challege."
I was number 3 :D



man your the guy I dislike. . good job. I wanted to get there but I just did not drop the weight.

They are supposed to mail me the prize, but I have yet to see it.

We met before the race if you rember, I cam up and intoduced myself just as we were to line up for our wave.


Oh ok. Cool. I could not remember who you were. I still do not like you though. . I wonder what the award will look like.
2007-09-07 10:05 PM
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Its going to be a Budda in Bike tights!!!!

Look you 250+ guys are awesome, I would love to see you guys racing in Phx, (as long as i am not in the same race. My hats off to all of the biggin's in the tri's you do us all proud.

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2007-09-09 9:25 PM
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I find it funny how people view things in life. I just completed my 1st sprint tri Aug 19th. I was 1 of 7 clydesdales at that distance. I was beat by all of them, in fact I was beaten by everyone. I didnt think much about how fast the clydesdale were Vs the age groupers. What I did think was BS was the fact the fastest time was 1:04. I thought if you can do a sprint in just over an hour, you should be racing OLY's at least.


2007-09-10 6:22 AM
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samsdad - 2007-09-09 9:25 PM

I find it funny how people view things in life. I just completed my 1st sprint tri Aug 19th. I was 1 of 7 clydesdales at that distance. I was beat by all of them, in fact I was beaten by everyone. I didnt think much about how fast the clydesdale were Vs the age groupers. What I did think was BS was the fact the fastest time was 1:04. I thought if you can do a sprint in just over an hour, you should be racing OLY's at least.


That doesn't make sense either. Seriously.
2007-09-10 8:54 AM
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The real issue here is that a 200+/150+lbs athlete "has" the option to race either in its age group or Clydesdale/Athena. If we would be automatically placed in the Clydesdale/Athena division based on the weight the discussion will probably be center around how fair the division based awarding process is.

I just had my first race on Saturday and I raced as Clydesdale. I finished 1st in Clydesdale 40+, 52nd overall and would have been 4th in my age group had I raced AG. Getting a medal in my first race ever was great. Being passed by a 60 years old athlete on the last km of the race and not being able to finish before him was a reality check. Also, seeing the 3rd overall (my age group, 40-44) getting a medal in a race essentially dominated by kids under 20 speaks volumes to me and demonstrates one more time how relative the divisions really are.

Would I race Clydesdale again? Yes and No.
Yes, because I want to see that race when a Clydesdale/Athena will finish 1st overall. I would regret for the rest of my life if I would have finished 1st overall and didn't race Clydesdale ;-)
No, because unless I finish 1st overall the next Clydesdale deserves that medal as much as I do.

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2007-09-10 1:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Clydes/Athena's vs. Age Groups
samsdad - 2007-09-09 10:25 PM

What I did think was BS was the fact the fastest time was 1:04. I thought if you can do a sprint in just over an hour, you should be racing OLY's at least.


--How can it be BS if that is MY goal?

As far as someone who did not medal deserving it as much as someone that does I disagree with that notion as well. They may deserve a pat on the back for a good race but generally the person that won the medal deserves it. I came in second in the Clyde division in a sprint by 11 seconds and I sure did not deserve the one medal that was awarded. If the run was probably .3 miles further then I would have earned and deserved it .



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2007-09-10 2:19 PM
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slick - 2007-09-10 2:35 PM

samsdad - 2007-09-09 10:25 PM

As far as someone who did not medal deserving it as much as someone that does I disagree with that notion as well.



During my race I noticed this guy about 6'2 obviously a Clydesdale, mind you all muscles. He looked more like a bodybuilder then a triathlete, definitively not overweight. I assumed he was racing Clydesdale and I kept an eye on him during the race. I passed him on the first run, he passed me on bike and I wasn't able to catch him again on the second run.
After the race I approached him and had a little chat. It turned out he is 49y/o 230lbs and he raced his AG because he only learned about the Clydesdale division after the registration. He also had an incident just as he was finishing the bike leg, he crashed into an incoming athlete which was riding on the wrong side. He recovered, finished the bike course and the race 1 minute ahead of me.

Do I deserve my medal? Not in my book, and my point is that unless we win the overall the medals we get in the divisions are really relative and debatable. Anyone that participates in the race deserves a medal for getting out there. Age groups or weight division are arbitrarily grouping and consequently delivers arbitrarily rewards.

Let me put a spin on the original question of this thread. What would make one feel happier about a race?
- finishing in let's say 44:20 - no medal but a PB or
- finishing in 44:30 - getting a medal as a Clydesdale knowing it wasn't your best race and knowing you finished behind an athlete much older then you and/or behind an athlete that didn't race Clydesdale because he "opted" to race AG.

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2007-09-10 2:39 PM
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We agree for the most part. I am all about kicking my own and running my best race. If it results in medal cool. I like when people hear the time when the award is announced then size up the clyde. Last race I won clyde - 8th overall, 2nd in AG (yes only 108 participants total). I race clyde becasue I am one, that's it (6'3" 250lbs). Everyone getting a medal for participating is nice (but pats on the back, compliments, and encouragement are better (imo)) - my kids get to wear them around the house and play olympics.

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2007-09-10 3:59 PM
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Its not BS. My point to all that was that people are funny,myself included. I was very impressed with the times posted by everyone at that race.The question that started all this was is there a time when a clydes becomes so fast that they shouldnt race as one. I say no. I dont race for anything but me and I dont race against anyone but me.
2007-09-10 5:08 PM
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Biggor, I feel has made the best point out of all of this. If winning a division that is designed for heavier folks places us at the top, then we should recieve a medal. If we are as fast as the AG then by all means the age group is where we should run. How owuld it look if a person 6'2 220/250lbs winning first over all and being recognized as a top finishers?

I am not saying dont race Clydes/Athena, but if your times are posted as top rank why not switch to the AG or better yet switch to the Oly. length.

Actually, WHO CARES??? As long as we are having fun then you should race what ever you want, if you want to domonate the field, then do it, however if you want to better yourself, then better yourself by moving on up to the net level.

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2007-09-10 5:59 PM
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Something that a lot of people have overlooked here is that racing Clydesdale has some potentially significant disadvantages over AG.  Clydes  start in the last wave so if you are fast you spend the whole swim running into slower AGers then most likely a minimum of the first part of the bike.  Additionally theres the risk included in passing a bunch of AG riders or getting into a battle with a BOPer on the bike who knows he'll be fried come the run no matter what.  Something like that can lead to a drafting penalty which will be tough on the podium chase. 

There's positives and negatives out there but in the end this is just fun.  On the topic of personal best vs. hardware... I am 100% for the PB because really the hardware is as much a function of who showed up vs. how fast you went and a PB is all about you.

When I'm 75 I plan on earning my hardware because as we know those are small AGs Laughing

2007-09-10 7:05 PM
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samsdad - 2007-09-10 3:59 PM

Its not BS. My point to all that was that people are funny,myself included. I was very impressed with the times posted by everyone at that race.The question that started all this was is there a time when a clydes becomes so fast that they shouldnt race as one. I say no. I dont race for anything but me and I dont race against anyone but me.


But you think if you do a sprint fast you should just go to an oly?
2007-09-10 8:19 PM
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mm5093 - 2007-09-10 6:08 PM

however if you want to better yourself, then better yourself by moving on up to the net level.

Its Ok, little birdy, its time to leave the nest and explore the world..


What if you want to better yourself by getting faster on sprints and have neither the time nor the desire to train for longer events? It seems that in this sport a person who burns up the sprint course's accomplishments are minimized. Sprinters are people too...just ask Ben Johnson.


2007-09-10 9:08 PM
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I agree 100% with previous post. Not all triathletes have the goal of doing more distance, even if they are kick ax in a sprint. I never want to do anything more than a sprint. I think that most joints/ligs/tendons have a certain amount of miles in them (at least mine) and I don't want to use them up too fast. Some people may have the goal of just being a great sprinter. Some people are naturally sprinters, some are endurance. Don't be mad because they are staying in the race, just try and train harder so you can beat them on equal terms (clyde vs clyde).
2007-09-10 9:19 PM
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I'll throw this in.

For me shorter distances mean going fast which I'm not good at. I did 2 sprints and an oly this year and over all placed better in the oly.

I run 3 days a week (4 if you count a brick) one of those runs is long and comfy and one is like a miler done fast. I hate that 4 miler more than the any where from 10 to mile one.
2007-09-10 9:54 PM
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Hold up I need more Pop corn!!!!
2007-09-10 9:56 PM
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I did a sprint and next weekend I did an Oly. My bike had the same avg mph. My swim I avg the same mins / 100 meters and the run was 1 min / mile slower.

I have learnt though I will probably try to do Oly as my short race. Since it is also known as the "short course".

2007-09-10 11:34 PM
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Gotta agree.  They're different races; being fast @ the shorter one doesn't mean increasing the distance is the next step.

Like kblahetka, sprinting is NOT my strong suit (not that I'm fast at ANY distance); after doing sprints and an oly this year (my first), I like the oly distance better.  I'll probably only end up doing sprints once in a while 'cause they're so many more of them out there.



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mm5093 - 2007-09-10 9:54 PM Hold up I need more Pop corn!!!!

 

Told you. 

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Man I have alot of comment.  I just notice all the activity on this thead and wanted to make some points, hopefully this is all understandable.

samsdad - I thought if you can do a sprint in just over an hour, you should be racing OLY's at least.  - I know several people have mentioned that this makes no since and I think their point was just because you are fast at sprints should not mean you should move up to oly, HIM, IM.  I am not a sprint, I am a long distance runner.  My oly this year was faster than my sprints I have done.  I was hoping my HIM would be even faster but that did not work out too well.

biggor - Yes, because I want to see that race when a Clydesdale/Athena will finish 1st overall. I would regret for the rest of my life if I would have finished 1st overall and didn't race Clydesdale ;-)   -  This is so the truth.  My oly I did in July I raced AG just because, had I raced clyde I would have been 1 out of 30 people.  Normally if I race clyde and place there are a small number of people.  1/30 I would not have felt bad placing.

mm5093 - I feel has made the best point out of all of this. If winning a division that is designed for heavier folks places us at the top.  -  Actually the division was not designed for "heavier folks", it was designed for the bodybuilder types from what I have read.  When triathlon first started getting big the bodybuilder types started racing and could not really compete so clyde was created.  BTW, I read this in one of my quarter magazines I get from USAT.

Christris - Clydes  start in the last wave   -   That sucks, my races they usually still start you with your AG.  Either way I don't think it really matters since you could suck and the swim and be way behind and you really never know who you are chancing unlike a run only event.

Just remember just because you sign up as clyde does not guarantee hardware.  I raced clyde in my HIM last weekend and thought I had a great chance to place until about 40 miles into the bike and my legs cramped and I only beat 30 people total.  You never know what is going to happen on any given day.

2007-09-11 5:57 PM
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I agree on the fact that signing up clydes doesn't equal a win.

I raced clyde at Chicago this year. Last year I tied for 3rd though the prize was given to the other guy, this year I took 3rd dropping 15 minutes off my time. I trained hard and was hoping to take first. Not a chance.

3rd in clydes at the Chicago Oly came from over 100 miles a week riding, 1 long ride of at least 60 miles bricked with running, and one ride of speed work a week. 1 long run of at least 12 miles plus at least 1 fast 4 miler. 3 days of biking, 3 days of running and swimimng twice a week. You can bet number one did more.
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chirunner134 - 2007-09-07 4:31 PM

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"Finish top 3 of 250+ at the Chicago Triathlon. Now that is a challege."
I was number 3 :D



man your the guy I dislike. . good job. I wanted to get there but I just did not drop the weight.

They are supposed to mail me the prize, but I have yet to see it.

We met before the race if you rember, I cam up and intoduced myself just as we were to line up for our wave.


Oh ok. Cool. I could not remember who you were. I still do not like you though. . I wonder what the award will look like.


It's the same medal you get for finishing only it says "winner" instead of finisher and on the back says your rank and division.

It also came with a pair of socks in a side medium...clearly someone put thought into that.
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