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2010-10-08 5:33 PM
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steveseer - 2010-10-08 4:03 PM

According to D.R. you should:

1.  Save $1000. 
2.  Then pay off all debt but mortgage. 
3.  Then save 3 to 6 months expenses.

There are more after, but outside the scope of this thread.  I think its a pretty solid plan, although I'm not there yet.  Done with 1, working on 2.   Almost there!


We're in the same boat. Although we have the $1k emergency fund, we are also saving for my wife to go on maternity leave above what is paid and at the same time working to take care of #2.


2010-10-08 5:43 PM
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According to your survey, my household is pretty low, but I think we are okay with what we have. I'm trying to come up with some emergency situations that would cost more than $10,000 for me/us and I haven't really thought of a likely scenario, so I'm probably okay.

My SO and I both have good jobs, he owns his business. We both have lots of family close by, so we've got a place to go in there is something really wrong that would cause us to loose our apartment, and the only debt we have is our mortgage, so maybe because of these factors, we can get by on less.

2010-10-08 7:11 PM
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the bear - 2010-10-08 4:34 PM

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the bear - 2010-10-08 2:49 PM You're max of $10k is pretty low. Not sure what kind of meaningful data you're going to get by setting up the poll like that.
Okay list ten "emergencies" other than medical procedures and job losses that cost more than $10,000 to clear up. A new HVAC system is probably between $5,000-10,000, other than that I really can't think of any major expenses that could come up that weren't either covered by auto or homeowner's insurance, or aren't really emergencies requiring immediate attention.
Seriously, what information are you trying to get from this survey?

I thought I was pretty clear in my original post, but I guess it bears (no pun intended) repeating:

how big of a financial emergency could you cover today using your own money (not credit cards, cashing out retirement funds, or borrowing of any form)?

I consider anything over $10K to be a significant life event that goes beyond the scope of the run-of-the-mill emergency. I'm thinking like somebody going to the ER, then getting a bill for $2,500 for what insurance didn't cover. Or the transmission in the car goes out and it's $1,500. Could you cover that without missing a beat? That's the kind of stuff that I'm wondering. Looks like half the people can. Interestingly, the next highest percentage of respondents (12% at the time of this post) couldn't cover anything over $1,000 without some sort of outside assistance. Supposedly according to USAToday, 97% of 65 year-olds can't write you a check for $600 right now. According to Harris Interactive, 77% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. If that's the case, then there should be a lot more people responding to the first option. I neglected to leave a "$0" option, but maybe I shouldn't have...
2010-10-08 7:16 PM
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the secret to financial happiness is to spend less than you make.

I'm not rich, but I've been gainfully employed making a reasonable professional salary for 25 years and always put a little away.  I can't retire yet, but if I lost my job, I'd be OK for a few years.

I realize that many people live paycheck to paycheck and have their credit cards maxed.  It's for these people that we have to pay unemployment insurance. 
2010-10-09 6:41 AM
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Well if buying groceries doesn't take precidence (sp?), I could cover $200. (fortunately if anything really emergent came up.. I have family in the area.)



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2010-10-09 1:37 PM
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morey000 - 2010-10-08 8:16 PM the secret to financial happiness is to spend less than you make.

I'm not rich, but I've been gainfully employed making a reasonable professional salary for 25 years and always put a little away.  I can't retire yet, but if I lost my job, I'd be OK for a few years.

I realize that many people live paycheck to paycheck and have their credit cards maxed.  It's for these people that we have to pay unemployment insurance. 


Thanks for the blanket statement..some of us are single parents that work hard for a living but have three kids and a dead beat ex. Im in no danger whatsoever of losing my job.thankfully.


2010-10-10 3:16 PM
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The majority of BTers have $10K in the bank/ invested/ at your ready disposal, etc? Good god I feel poor !
2010-10-11 6:43 AM
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trishie - 2010-10-10 4:16 PM

The majority of BTers have $10K in the bank/ invested/ at your ready disposal, etc? Good god I feel poor !


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2010-10-11 8:02 AM
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steveseer - 2010-10-08 5:03 PM According to D.R. you should:

1.  Save $1000. 
2.  Then pay off all debt but mortgage. 
3.  Then save 3 to 6 months expenses.

There are more after, but outside the scope of this thread.  I think its a pretty solid plan, although I'm not there yet.  Done with 1, working on 2.   Almost there!


this is where i am right now...once my CC and car are paid off, I will have my 6-month emergency fund in no time.
2010-10-11 8:35 AM
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the bear - 2010-10-08 4:34 PM
Bripod - 2010-10-08 3:55 PM
the bear - 2010-10-08 2:49 PM You're max of $10k is pretty low. Not sure what kind of meaningful data you're going to get by setting up the poll like that.
Okay list ten "emergencies" other than medical procedures and job losses that cost more than $10,000 to clear up. A new HVAC system is probably between $5,000-10,000, other than that I really can't think of any major expenses that could come up that weren't either covered by auto or homeowner's insurance, or aren't really emergencies requiring immediate attention.


Okay, now you have a poorly worded as well as poorly designed survey. Seriously, what information are you trying to get from this survey? Notice how the majority of respondents are clustered in the >$10K response.

Not ten but one that happens with all too often: losing your job. Unless you figure that $10K is 3-6 months salary, it's way too low of a limit. Remembering that per the USAT the median income of traiathletes is $126K.


This is where I am, which is why my >$10,000 has become $6,000.
2010-10-11 8:41 AM
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morey000 - 2010-10-08 7:16 PM the secret to financial happiness is to spend less than you make.

I'm not rich, but I've been gainfully employed making a reasonable professional salary for 25 years and always put a little away.  I can't retire yet, but if I lost my job, I'd be OK for a few years.

I realize that many people live paycheck to paycheck and have their credit cards maxed.  It's for these people that we have to pay unemployment insurance. 


So you are saying that only people that live paycheck to paycheck claim unemployment?  How much do you think one gets for unemployment? 
Its about $1600 per month at it's highest.  Yep, that's less than $20,000 per year.  You go from $80,000 to $20,000 grand and see how long your savings survives. 


2010-10-11 9:39 AM
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trishie - 2010-10-10 3:16 PM The majority of BTers have $10K in the bank/ invested/ at your ready disposal, etc? Good god I feel poor !


I would also like to know the corresponding AGES (or how long they have been in the workforce) of those who have more than 10K saved up. I have a feeling there would be a strong correlation - could be wrong though.

2010-10-11 9:56 AM
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lisac957 - 2010-10-11 8:39 AM
trishie - 2010-10-10 3:16 PM The majority of BTers have $10K in the bank/ invested/ at your ready disposal, etc? Good god I feel poor !


I would also like to know the corresponding AGES (or how long they have been in the workforce) of those who have more than 10K saved up. I have a feeling there would be a strong correlation - could be wrong though.


I can't answer for everyone but it wasn't until I was in my late 30s, early 40s that I could keep any sort of savings.  That was after being married for a couple years and we decided to have kids.  We paid off all our debt and started focusing on living well within our means.  I'm now 49 and my wife is 44.  The only debt we carry is the mortgage.  We also live on just my income.  It's hard keeping an emergency fund since she quit working...this year both our cars required some work, house needed to be painted, my son needed braces.  Anyway, I've been in the workforce about 30-years.  But for most of those thirty it was paycheck to paycheck.

2010-10-11 11:29 AM
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I can't believe I'm agreeing with The Bear, but yeah, maybe try a different poll, starting at $10,000 and in 10K increments?  Suze Orman says an 8 month emergency fund should  be a goal.
2010-10-11 12:49 PM
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Bripod - 2010-10-08 7:11 PM

the bear - 2010-10-08 4:34 PM

Bripod - 2010-10-08 3:55 PM
the bear - 2010-10-08 2:49 PM You're max of $10k is pretty low. Not sure what kind of meaningful data you're going to get by setting up the poll like that.
Okay list ten "emergencies" other than medical procedures and job losses that cost more than $10,000 to clear up. A new HVAC system is probably between $5,000-10,000, other than that I really can't think of any major expenses that could come up that weren't either covered by auto or homeowner's insurance, or aren't really emergencies requiring immediate attention.
Seriously, what information are you trying to get from this survey?

I thought I was pretty clear in my original post, but I guess it bears (no pun intended) repeating:

how big of a financial emergency could you cover today using your own money (not credit cards, cashing out retirement funds, or borrowing of any form)?

I consider anything over $10K to be a significant life event that goes beyond the scope of the run-of-the-mill emergency. I'm thinking like somebody going to the ER, then getting a bill for $2,500 for what insurance didn't cover. Or the transmission in the car goes out and it's $1,500. Could you cover that without missing a beat? That's the kind of stuff that I'm wondering. Looks like half the people can. Interestingly, the next highest percentage of respondents (12% at the time of this post) couldn't cover anything over $1,000 without some sort of outside assistance. Supposedly according to USAToday, 97% of 65 year-olds can't write you a check for $600 right now. According to Harris Interactive, 77% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. If that's the case, then there should be a lot more people responding to the first option. I neglected to leave a "$0" option, but maybe I shouldn't have...
2010-10-11 12:59 PM
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jdwright56 - 2010-10-11 8:41 AM

morey000 - 2010-10-08 7:16 PM the secret to financial happiness is to spend less than you make.

I'm not rich, but I've been gainfully employed making a reasonable professional salary for 25 years and always put a little away.  I can't retire yet, but if I lost my job, I'd be OK for a few years.

I realize that many people live paycheck to paycheck and have their credit cards maxed.  It's for these people that we have to pay unemployment insurance. 


So you are saying that only people that live paycheck to paycheck claim unemployment?  How much do you think one gets for unemployment? 
Its about $1600 per month at it's highest.  Yep, that's less than $20,000 per year.  You go from $80,000 to $20,000 grand and see how long your savings survives. 


Yep... that's my story.

Went from making decent money... to unemployment ($1,600 a month). Drained my savings account living until I got a job.

I couldn't get a job making what I WAS making... so now I live paycheck to paycheck and can't save up money again.

Depressing times. Not really what I envisoned for my life... almost 40 years old (college degree, 13 years experience in my field) and making what I was salary wise when I was 27 (2nd job out of college).




2010-10-11 2:48 PM
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A friend of mine just had a financial emergency and fortunately I have money saved so I was able to help. He had been arrested in Europe on some trumped up charges but luckily was able to send me a message through Facebook. Thank God for technology, social media, and the money I've been saving to put my kids through school. It's going to take him a few days to sort things out but he should be home in a week or so. I know he'll pay me back once he's safely back in the States.
2010-10-11 2:58 PM
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mrbbrad - 2010-10-11 1:48 PM A friend of mine just had a financial emergency and fortunately I have money saved so I was able to help. He had been arrested in Europe on some trumped up charges but luckily was able to send me a message through Facebook. Thank God for technology, social media, and the money I've been saving to put my kids through school. It's going to take him a few days to sort things out but he should be home in a week or so. I know he'll pay me back once he's safely back in the States.


must be a really good friend to use your kids college fund.  hope he want arrested for embezzlement. 
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