Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question
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2008-03-05 10:45 PM |
Extreme Veteran 590 | Subject: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question From a novice perspective, can someone describe the pool aspect of a sprint tri? My upcoming tri has 500 entrants in it. I have my first tri in about 10 days and put a very slow estimated swim time for my 100yd estimate. I can run til the cows come home but also swim like a cow. I have been doing roughly 2:00 100 meter swims during practice/training but need to catch my breath about every 100M at this point in my yourn tri career. I gave an estimated 100 yd swim time with about a 20 second breather built in for every 100 meters. During an actual race, and I am primarily talking about the novice folks, do many (if any at all) stop every 100 meters or so to catch their breath or will I be the only person doing this?? I have obviously learned very quickly that running fitness does not translate to swimming..haha!! Thanks in advance... Trail_Runner |
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2008-03-05 10:52 PM in reply to: #1255458 |
Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question yes, you'll see just about everything you can imagine. they'll be walking, sidestroking, backstroking, and dog paddling too. |
2008-03-05 10:58 PM in reply to: #1255467 |
Extreme Veteran 664 Vancouver BC | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question tag - 2008-03-05 8:52 PM yes, you'll see just about everything you can imagine. they'll be walking, sidestroking, backstroking, and dog paddling too. that is reassuring LOL....because I just may be one of them if this swimming thing doesn't click for me soon! Jill |
2008-03-05 11:15 PM in reply to: #1255458 |
Master 1292 McKinney, TX | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question Odds are within the first 20 swimmers you will see someone breast stroking within 50 meters. Within the first 100 someone will be hanging on the wall each turn. I've even seen people walking the entire thing (4 ft deep pool). Have no fear. Have fun. |
2008-03-06 12:19 AM in reply to: #1255458 |
Champion 5117 Brandon, MS | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question There will be people going off near the front that have to grab the lane ropes or just breast stroke or dog paddle the entire thing. In my very first tri, a sprint with a pool swim, I thought the third guy off was going to drown. You'll have plenty of opportunity to stop and rest when there are 5 people blocking the lane in front of you. Your honest estimated time is MUCH faster than what some people out there think they can do. Pace yourself, do your own swim, pedal like a mad man, and pick 'em off on the run. You're gonna do great. Good luck!
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2008-03-06 12:41 AM in reply to: #1255517 |
Expert 750 Plano, TX | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question Dang skippy, Sesh. It happens all the time (people over-estimating how fast they can swim), but I am not sure if it is always intentional...some people have no clue what their swim times are...but they should. HA I took the opposite approach and went a little on the slow side in my estimation. My first tri, I had NO clue how fast I could swim, so I erred on the side of caution, lest I be flogged by everyone passing me. I submitted 12:00 (TWELVE!) minutes as my 350m swim time. I started almost last. I swam it in 7:05 (a respectable 2:05/100m), even though I had the 1st race hyperventilation jitters about 100m into the swim. I don't understand why anyone would want to fudge their times. I know it can get the nerves up waiting 30-45 minutes to start, but hell, take a deep breath, chat up some new racers next to you who seem nervous, and enjoy it. Most, but not all people, usually train to race, and waiting in line just allows more time to enjoy the experience. Like sesh said, swim your pace, and remember to BREATHE! That is a big-time swim killer for 1st time racers. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Have a blast!
sesh - 2008-03-06 12:19 AM There will be people going off near the front that have to grab the lane ropes or just breast stroke or dog paddle the entire thing. In my very first tri, a sprint with a pool swim, I thought the third guy off was going to drown. You'll have plenty of opportunity to stop and rest when there are 5 people blocking the lane in front of you. Your honest estimated time is MUCH faster than what some people out there think they can do. Pace yourself, do your own swim, pedal like a mad man, and pick 'em off on the run. You're gonna do great. Good luck!
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2008-03-06 1:05 AM in reply to: #1255458 |
Expert 938 Orange County, California | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question Instead of hanging on the wall, can you switch to another stroke and keep going? When you get your breath back you can go back to free style. |
2008-03-06 7:15 AM in reply to: #1255458 |
Veteran 928 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question Trail_Runner - 2008-03-05 11:45 PM From a novice perspective, can someone describe the pool aspect of a sprint tri? My upcoming tri has 500 entrants in it. I have my first tri in about 10 days and put a very slow estimated swim time for my 100yd estimate. I can run til the cows come home but also swim like a cow. I have been doing roughly 2:00 100 meter swims during practice/training but need to catch my breath about every 100M at this point in my yourn tri career. I gave an estimated 100 yd swim time with about a 20 second breather built in for every 100 meters. During an actual race, and I am primarily talking about the novice folks, do many (if any at all) stop every 100 meters or so to catch their breath or will I be the only person doing this?? I have obviously learned very quickly that running fitness does not translate to swimming..haha!! Thanks in advance... Trail_Runner Thanks for asking the question I have been wondering about. I am in about the same boat as you are on needing to catch my breath every couple of laps. Fortunately, I have about 6 weeks to improve. After reading the posts here, I feel better about the distinct possibility that I will need to stop sometime during the swim! Good luck to you Tri_Runner. Please update us after your First Tri! |
2008-03-06 7:29 AM in reply to: #1255653 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question jacasa - 2008-03-06 7:15 AM Thanks for asking the question I have been wondering about. I am in about the same boat as you are on needing to catch my breath every couple of laps. Fortunately, I have about 6 weeks to improve. After reading the posts here, I feel better about the distinct possibility that I will need to stop sometime during the swim! Good luck to you Tri_Runner. Please update us after your First Tri! The 0-1650 plan has worked well for me in the past... |
2008-03-06 8:13 AM in reply to: #1255458 |
Expert 619 Wylie, TX | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question Another pool swim question... should I wear my tri top during a pool swim, or put it on at T1? I had TONS of problems putting a shirt on in my first real tri last summer and I didn't know if it would be different with a tri top. |
2008-03-06 8:17 AM in reply to: #1255674 |
Expert 934 FL | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question the bear - 2008-03-06 8:29 AM jacasa - 2008-03-06 7:15 AM Thanks for asking the question I have been wondering about. I am in about the same boat as you are on needing to catch my breath every couple of laps. Fortunately, I have about 6 weeks to improve. After reading the posts here, I feel better about the distinct possibility that I will need to stop sometime during the swim! Good luck to you Tri_Runner. Please update us after your First Tri! The 0-1650 plan has worked well for me in the past... This is the plan I have been trying to follow. Not working so well for me... |
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2008-03-06 8:21 AM in reply to: #1255458 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question 1st 2:00/100 is not that slow even if you thrown in :20 rest every 100 you still will not be that bad. 2nd you will see everything imaginable including people grabing the lane dividers for a break. My only suggestion is stay as much out of the way as possible. The person behind you might do a flip turn into you at the wall. |
2008-03-06 8:22 AM in reply to: #1255801 |
Extreme Veteran 503 Lapel | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question tikicult - 2008-03-06 9:13 AM Another pool swim question... should I wear my tri top during a pool swim, or put it on at T1? I had TONS of problems putting a shirt on in my first real tri last summer and I didn't know if it would be different with a tri top. I would suggest you wear it from the start simply because tri tops are tight and you will have a helluva time trying to put it on after the swim.. worse than a typical shirt. to the OP, if you have to hang on to the wall, get into the next lane you are going to swim and go to the opposite side (away from where others are coming into the lane) to rest for a second before heading on. I learned the hard way last year that if you are in the way you will get kicked, groped, etc. Good luck and have Fun! |
2008-03-06 8:34 AM in reply to: #1255473 |
Champion 7547 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question couch potato no more - 2008-03-05 10:58 PM tag - 2008-03-05 8:52 PM yes, you'll see just about everything you can imagine. they'll be walking, sidestroking, backstroking, and dog paddling too. that is reassuring LOL....because I just may be one of them if this swimming thing doesn't click for me soon! Jill(hijack on) Jill, you certainly *look* like your ready to swim (in your avatar pic) (hijack off) As to the OP. Try to be accurate with your seed time. You don't want to have to swim around a lot of participants (if you seed yourself slow) and you don't want to swim too fast and still be the obstacle to faster swimmers (if you seed yourself fast). As for resting every 100 meters, try to maintain a steady pace. If you can swim 100m in 1:40 and then rest for 0:20, try swimming continuously in 1:55. Assume you're around other people swimming that 1:55, you'll be passing each other twice per 100 meters (once when you blaze past Mr. steady, and once when he passes you hanging on the side) which will be real frustrating for both of you. You'll see everything during the race, so don't feel like you'll stand out. |
2008-03-06 9:28 AM in reply to: #1255458 |
Expert 750 Harrisburg, PA | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question I just got the information for one of the first tri's I want to do this coming August. The swim is 800 yards in a 50 yard pool. They want my estimated .5 mile swim time to figure which starting wave I'll be in. I asked, and there is a 30 minute time limit on the swim. Though I recently posted a thread stating that I am starting to show some positve improvement in my swimming, I still stop for breaths every 25 yards, sometimes only for 10 to 15 seconds or so, but it took me a little over 30 minutes to do the 800 yards. I want to send my information in ASAP, but I don't know what to put down for the extimated swim time. I assuming with work my time will improve between now and August. I don't want to put down a horribly inaccurate time, and make it look like I want to swim over slower swimmers, (which I might be the slowest one anyway, who knows?). Obviously I don't want to fudge and end up with everyone crawling over me. This tri has a cap of 40 entrants, so I don't want to dawdle here. What to do? |
2008-03-06 3:27 PM in reply to: #1256005 |
Pro 4343 Olney, MD | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question nxm165 - 2008-03-06 10:28 AM I want to send my information in ASAP, but I don't know what to put down for the extimated swim time. I assuming with work my time will improve between now and August. I don't want to put down a horribly inaccurate time, and make it look like I want to swim over slower swimmers, (which I might be the slowest one anyway, who knows?). Obviously I don't want to fudge and end up with everyone crawling over me. This tri has a cap of 40 entrants, so I don't want to dawdle here. What to do? I assume you can update your time estimate? If so, put in your best estimate now, and then fix it right near the deadline for final time submission. If you only get one chance, then wait until right near the deadline. |
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2008-03-06 6:01 PM in reply to: #1256005 |
Master 1249 Lexington, Kentucky | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri - Pool Swim Question Just make a guesstimate. That's what everybody that is BOFOP will be doing anyhow. There will be people passing 4 abreast at some point. That's just the way it goes. |