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2008-05-22 1:16 PM

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Subject: Does breathing every other stroke slow you down?
I am a mediocre swimmer, partly because I think that swim training could not be any more boring, but that is beside the point. Reading the inane discussions about snorkel swimming yesterday (really, can you imagine swimming 1k, 1.5k, etc with a snorkel in your mouth?!) got me to thinking about breathing. I usually breathe every 4 strokes or bilaterally every 3 strokes, but it did make sense to me to breathe every other stroke to maximize your O2 intake. So I swam 2000 m at lunch today breathing every other stroke, and although I didn't get overly winded, I did swim slower than usual.

So, does breathing every other stroke, in general, slow you down?


2008-05-22 1:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Does breathing every other stroke slow you down?
It really depends on your breathing technique. If you keep your head down when you roll to take a breath, and "breath from the armpit" instead of lifting your head up, your hips will stay at the top of the water easier, and you will have less drag. Lift that head though, and you might create some drag problems. And then doing that more often than usual (every 2 instead of every 3-4), you'll probably go slower.
I personally breathe every 2 strokes, or 2-3-2. Just gotta work on your technique, and it won't cause as many problems.
2008-05-22 1:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Does breathing every other stroke slow you down?
No.  You probably have a form weakness if there's a noticible difference (e.g., lifting your head to breathe rather than simply rotating with your body).
2008-05-22 1:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Does breathing every other stroke slow you down?

In general I'd so no, but it might vary from person to person depending on your swim technique.  I can breathe every other stroke, every third, or somewhere inbetween, and my times are about the same.  My friend who I swam with several years ago always took a breath every other stroke, and he was very fast (he'd been to the olympic trials, so he was a decent swimmer).

I guess you breathe as often as you need to... 

2008-05-22 1:26 PM
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2008-05-22 1:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Does breathing every other stroke slow you down?

I recently started breathing every second stroke and it is much more comfortable for me to swim that way. My next obstacle is learning to breath on both sides (right or left). For me it is more about consistency rather than speed.

 In my last race, I would have preferred a more consistent stroke during the swim than a speedy one. I did too much backstroking trying to catch my breath trying to stick to my normal pool stroke, which I could never get into that rhythm.



2008-05-22 1:44 PM
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Almost exclusively, olympic long distance swimmers breath every 2nd stroke in competitions.
2008-05-22 1:49 PM
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Don't forget the reason that you are swimming.  It's not to only swim, but to incorporate it into a Triathlon.  That means the key is to stay aerobic.  Even if it slightly slows you down to breath every stroke (same side breathing = stroke for me) it's better than going a bit faster and going anaerobic.

2008-05-22 1:52 PM
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Marvarnett - 2008-05-22 11:49 AM

Don't forget the reason that you are swimming.  It's not to only swim, but to incorporate it into a Triathlon.  That means the key is to stay aerobic.  Even if it slightly slows you down to breath every stroke (same side breathing = stroke for me) it's better than going a bit faster and going anaerobic.

There is a theory (not so sure I buy into it), but it's espoused by Coach KP and (I think) gordo, or at least subscribed to, that breathing every stroke is actually more of an energy drain because you are getting more 02 and thus might go a little harder, whereas bilateral breathing forces you to slow down.  I'm just the messenger



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2008-05-22 1:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Does breathing every other stroke slow you down?
I don't think I'd get enough air out on exhale by breathing every other stroke. Breathing every third stroke bilaterally I do not get all air out while my face is in the water. I have a bit left that I blast out the nose just before inhale. I guess you'd have to do do rather shallow breathing to avoid hyperventilating.
2008-05-22 2:01 PM
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2008-05-22 2:07 PM
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I breath every other stroke (on the right side).  I have tried bilateral and when it works I swim much faster.  I would think every 4 strokes you would swim faster than every 2 or 3 but in the end you would suffer.  If you can bilateral breath do it as you will be able to sight better and if you have someone on a particular side causing you problems switch to every 2 strokes on the other side.
2008-05-22 2:15 PM
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I learned from day one, when I couldn't go more than 25m without panting to breath bilaterally every third stroke.

Recently, I've begun swimming faster sets of 50's and 100's.  Toward the end of these intervals, I need more air and have go to a 3,2,3,2,3,2 or 3,3,2,3,3,2 or 3,2,2,3,2,2 sequence.  However, when going long, like in 1,500m races, its back to bilaterally every third.  That's my happy place.

So, I keep it every third on anything less than "T-pace" and get more gulps of air when needed while pushing the pace on faster intervals.

One-arm drills helped me realize that I was really raising my head and sinking my hips while taking left side breaths.  Since, I've been focused on keeping the body level and head down throughout my stroke sequence.

2008-05-22 2:36 PM
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So am I totally insane breathing every 6 strokes (3 with each arm)? I am relatively new to swimming and totally self-taught (though I've read some books and watched some videos), and coming off of two years of injury/surgery, but I was once a decent runner, and have gotten a lot of that fitness back. (I can run several 7 minute miles without opening my mouth, i.e., without breathing hard.)

My biggest limiter in the swim right now is not air, but technique and strength. I'm not really panting after I swim; I'm just tired.  I do occasionally work on bilateral breathing (so, every 5 or 7 strokes), but mostly it's every 6.  Am I doing something awful by learning to swim this way?  Will I feel compelled to breath more frequently once I can actually swim faster?  (Maybe a bit like opening one's mouth to run 6 minute miles?)

2008-05-22 2:39 PM
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mdickson68 - 2008-05-22 2:36 PM

So am I totally insane breathing every 6 strokes (3 with each arm)?

Yes,  chances are you are either holding your breather or taking extremely long breaths.  Learn to breath every 2 or 3 strokes.  Your legs will thank you on the bike or run.
2008-05-22 3:01 PM
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Breathing every stroke only slows you down if you're swimming all out for 50 or 100 yards in a swim meet.  In OWS you should breathe whenever you need air .

In sprint triathlons I breathe every stroke (all on one side) since I can't swim fast and hold my breath any longer than that.  In my last (well, my only) 70.3 I swam with a 2-2-3-2-2 pattern, which I find helps me swim straighter, still gives me enough air, and I don't have to sight often (which saves energy) .  In this weekend's oly I'll start with the 2-2-3-2-2 pattern and go with it for as long as I can, then change to every stroke if I need to.

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2008-05-22 3:12 PM
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In short: yes breathing every stroke will slow you down.

I try to breath every 5 strokes or more (working on this constantly).

2008-05-22 7:25 PM
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I have been swiming for over a year and have always used the 2 stroke. I due swim bilateally while in a pool, up on one side back on the other. I have tried 3 stroke and like it but I always seam to go back to 2. Dont worry about the little time it may add if any. If you are using a wetsuit during a tri you should cut time. I have taking 2.5 min off my 750m swim in my wetsuit
2008-05-22 7:58 PM
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Don't forget the reason that you are swimming.  It's not to only swim, but to incorporate it into a Triathlon.  That means the key is to stay aerobic.  Even if it slightly slows you down to breath every stroke (same side breathing = stroke for me) it's better than going a bit faster and going anaerobic.

There is a theory (not so sure I buy into it), but it's espoused by Coach KP and (I think) gordo, or at least subscribed to, that breathing every stroke is actually more of an energy drain because you are getting more 02 and thus might go a little harder, whereas bilateral breathing forces you to slow down.  I'm just the messenger



This makes some sense to me.... I know that I can swim faster over longer distances when I breath every other stroke - for this very reason (I'm getting more oxygen, so I can go faster). I have to slow down to breath less frequently (at least over distance).
2008-05-22 9:05 PM
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I've been doing a masters swim class. You couldn't have told me last year that I would ever breath bilaterally. They now have me doing it and I breathe every three effortlessly. Periodically I stretch it to 5 and 7 (which I thought was INSANE at first). You'll never realize you can do it until you try!

I've taken 20 seconds off per 100m (1:40 down from 2:00). I definitely think it makes me a bit faster. They also told me that you aren't using all your lungs when you breathe every 2 strokes. Try just sitting on your couch breathing in and out as you would breating every two strokes...it actually is more difficult than breathing in and slowly exhaling. They said that most of the time people aren't exhaling enough which makes them think they need to breathe more often (since CO2 builds in the lungs if you don't exhale).

I now feel so much more balanced in the water and sighting is so much easier when you breathe on both sides (every 3). And since I swim more straight, I won't spend extra energy getting back on course.
2008-05-22 9:14 PM
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Don't forget the reason that you are swimming.  It's not to only swim, but to incorporate it into a Triathlon.  That means the key is to stay aerobic.  Even if it slightly slows you down to breath every stroke (same side breathing = stroke for me) it's better than going a bit faster and going anaerobic.

There is a theory (not so sure I buy into it), but it's espoused by Coach KP and (I think) gordo, or at least subscribed to, that breathing every stroke is actually more of an energy drain because you are getting more 02 and thus might go a little harder, whereas bilateral breathing forces you to slow down.  I'm just the messenger



This makes some sense to me.... I know that I can swim faster over longer distances when I breath every other stroke - for this very reason (I'm getting more oxygen, so I can go faster). I have to slow down to breath less frequently (at least over distance).


Please, please check out Youtube. Look at any olympic race 200m or above. Everyone is breathing every 2nd stroke. It is NOT slowing them down.

I don't know why triathlon coaches think they have something up on swim coaches who have been at this for decades and have produced world champion after world champion. Breathing every 2nd stroke is not bad and is, in fact, the most widely used breathing pattern for distance races (>200m).


2008-05-22 9:16 PM
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The above was in reference to several posts but not really the ones quoted (I suck at the intertents!!).
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2008-05-23 8:36 AM
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Subject: RE: Does breathing every other stroke slow you down?
What nobody has mentioned yet in regards to bi-lateral breathing is that it helps promote balanced stoke and muscle development. I bi-lateral breath ever 3 stokes during training but breath evry 2 during a race.
2008-05-23 9:16 AM
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I agree that most WC swimmers use 2 breaths while swimming as they have perfect form for one.  Also, bilateral in races is used more for help in sighting and being aware of you surroundings. 

All I know is, when I have tried bilateral breathing and can make it work, I swim faster than when breathing every 2 strokes.  Probably 2 minutes per mile faster.  The problem is I have not mastered it yet.  Now if I do a breath every 4 strokes I feel like I am flying but can do that for maybe 50 yards max at a fast pace.  Like others have mentioned, you might be able to make 4 or 5 strokes while swimming but you will pay big time on the bike and run. 

I really don't know why you would consistantly swim with anything other than 2 or 3 strokes.  Anything more is considered Hyperponic (spelling) breathing and at my masters swims that is a drill set and we hardly ever do it.

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