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2008-06-03 7:24 AM

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Subject: Coaching Problem-Am I asking too much?
My wife and I are signing up for IMCdA 09 this month. We're planning out in advance, and decided the best way to maximize our experience was to hire a coach. Two months ago, we hired a coach through a very reputable organization.

In the past two months, we've had continuous problems. Communication is intermittant at best and nonexistant most of the time, training plans are always a day or two late, and our training volume is almost a quarter of what it used to be.

I've shared my concerns but have received no response. Take a look at my logs over the past two months and tell me if you really think it's worth the arm and leg I'm paying.


2008-06-03 7:36 AM
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Some coaches offer affordable coaching options with the premise that communication might be limited hence if that is the case then you might have your answer right there. OTOH if the coach suggested you could communicate as often as possible then you are not getting your money's worth.

For instance; I offer those two options for coaching, the 1st one (reduce rate, limited contact) is more for the athlete seeking for structure without the need for much feedback as he/she might have already training experience. I make this clear to the athlete and they know we will commuincate at the beginning of each cycle and they are welcome to contact me if they have some simple questions as long as they don't expect for me to prvide the same level of attention I give to those paying more. The 2nd option is more expensive (monthly) and because of that I make sure to let the athlete know I am as available as possible and we contact via phone, email, messenger, texting and BT. I try to get back to their questions/concerns within 24hrs (sometimes is within minutes, sometimes it takes me a bit longer than 24 hrs but nothing to crazy). For these athletes, I actually prefer to communicate as often as possible because it allows me get to know them better as athletes and to provide them with better training. Sometimes I am the one chasing athletes to get their logs, files or just to chat with them

What was the agreement with your coach?

2008-06-03 7:39 AM
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Subject: RE: Coaching Problem-Am I asking too much?
I think that the problems you mentioned would be enough to drive me away from that coach. Communication and timely plans are the crux of coaching. What good is a plan that is a day late?

Talk to the coach and let them know your concerns. If they dont straighten up, there are PLENTY of other coaches out there who will treat you right.
2008-06-03 7:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Coaching Problem-Am I asking too much?
Well, if you feel are you not getting the service you are paying for... look for someone else. It's still earlier enough in your training that you can easily switch.

Good luck with your decision.
2008-06-03 8:29 AM
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Subject: RE: Coaching Problem-Am I asking too much?
find another coach...there is no shortage of them.
2008-06-03 8:44 AM
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Subject: RE: Coaching Problem-Am I asking too much?

If you are not happy now and it is more than a year before your IM consider switching.

Like Jorge said often their are options of coaching levels and you need to find one that works right for you as to the level of contact within the context of your goals and the program that appeals to you.

Lots of coaches to choose from with different ways of running their coaching business as well as their philosophy of coaching. Be happy you found out now it isn't working instead of in the midst of your IM build.

When I looked into coaches 4 years ago I really wanted to work with a women. I contacted a few coaches and had my list of questions to ask. With the women I wanted to like she just kept dropping the ball. I learned later she would give all her clients the same training plan even though they hired her for individualized coaching. I'm pleased that I opted to go with the coach I did as he asked me lots of questions of what my goals/dreams were and about me and my lifestyle. Now 4 years later he still remembers what we talked about and when something positive happens in one of those area he comments about it. The goal I recall was to be a good example for my kids and positively influence them into a healthy fit lifestyle.

Other thing I like about my coach is he does it full time which shows a deep level of commitment to doing a good job. He is doing coaching during the day not another job so he is reachable to answer questions. Other thing I like is he trains and enjoys fitness but isn't racing now which means he is around and not traveling or building/peaking for his events which may interfer with his coaching me and others.

There are lots of great coaches but I think it is all about fit and knowledge. Do they fit well with you ie they way you communicate with you, attitude, style, all those intangable things that are important . Do they have the knowledge to help you achieve your best and reach your goals.



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2008-06-03 8:57 AM
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Subject: RE: Coaching Problem-Am I asking too much?
amiine - 2008-06-03 6:36 PM

p>What was the agreement with your coach?



They had 5 tiers of coaching levels, and I signed up for the third level, which entailed unlimited email contact and weekly phone contact. I wanted good communication and chose the plan for that very reason.

All of your responses are pretty much confirming what I was thinking, but with this being my first go around with a coach I thought I'd do the standard BT thread asking for your opinions.

My questions is how do you go about finding a good one? I went to a nationally recognized service so that I would get quality. A google search gives lots of leads, but no good way to discern which can be trusted.

My wife and I are ambitious and want to take this seriously and need a coach who will do the same.
2008-06-03 9:14 AM
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OrbeaMan - 2008-06-03 10:57 AM

 

My questions is how do you go about finding a good one? I went to a nationally recognized service so that I would get quality. A google search gives lots of leads, but no good way to discern which can be trusted. My wife and I are ambitious and want to take this seriously and need a coach who will do the same.

There was a thread about questions to ask a prospective coach; I'll see if I can dig it up but basically it is going to involve research.  Not only what is presented on their website but several conversations (either phone or email) with the coach about philosophies, number of athletes they coach, results of their athletes, communication, plan delivery, etc.  Following that, if you can contact current/former athletes then you can talk to them about their experiences, improvements, why they left the coach, etc.

Here's the link:

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=100435&posts=9&highlight=coach&highlightmode=1#M1141607

Shane

2008-06-03 10:22 AM
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Shane,

I'm with you. I've read all the tips in books like the TTB, Going Long, Gordo's Tips for choosing a coach. Fact is, you don't really know if the coach is going to follow through until you're already commited.
2008-06-03 11:07 AM
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OrbeaMan - 2008-06-03 12:22 PM

Shane, I'm with you. I've read all the tips in books like the TTB, Going Long, Gordo's Tips for choosing a coach. Fact is, you don't really know if the coach is going to follow through until you're already commited.

Andrew,

If I were you, I would contact the coach, preferably in writing so that you can clearly outline all of your concerns.  Hopefully it is just a misunderstanding and you and your coach will be able to work things out.  If not, I would let the coach know that things aren't working out, providing the reasons (this may help their next client) and then begin the search all over.

Good luck,

Shane

2008-06-03 1:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Coaching Problem-Am I asking too much?
If you can't resolve your problems with your coach, the best way to find one is to ask around and talk to the people that you know who have a coach. That way you can get an idea of how different coaches work and have a list of potential coaches to talk to. I found my coach because several of my BT friends were using him. I talked to him and we seemed to be able to communicate well; I've been working with him for 1 1/2 years now and it's been going great. Good luck with your situation.


2008-06-03 1:44 PM
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your expectations aren't being met. sounds like he's not holding up his end of the proverbial bargain.

 and as such... you've got PM.

~B

2008-06-03 4:08 PM
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I always think a personal reference is the best way to go.  You and your wife definitely need to feel comfortable with this piece of your Ironman training.  My coach is working with several IMCdA clients right now and I'd be happy to share her information.  In fact, after this post, you'll probably be flooded with wonderful coach recommendations!

Best of luck to both of you.  How cool that you are doing this together!

2008-06-03 4:52 PM
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Get a personal recommendation. Spell out your expectations when asking for recommendations. Ask questions. Make sure the new coach has a good reputation for being responsive.
2008-06-03 4:52 PM
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I haven't read the other posts, so this is probably a repeat.  You are paying for a service.  If it's not what you expected, talk to the provider of the service about your concerns.  If there was a misscomunication, either come to an agreementunderstanding, or discontinue.  Not under contract are you?

2008-06-03 5:55 PM
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OrbeaMan - 2008-06-03 8:24 AM In the past two months, we've had continuous problems. Communication is intermittant at best and nonexistant most of the time, training plans are always a day or two late, and our training volume is almost a quarter of what it used to be. I've shared my concerns but have received no response. 

That describes tthe experience I had with my coach two years ago.  I was supposed to get weekly emails with workouts.  Was okay at first but after a couple of months they started coming several days late.  When I would call or send an email to remind him, I got stuff back that didn't make any sense at all.  I figured part of it was that I was a BOP'er and he focused more on his elite clients, but at the same time he was cashing my checks, so I didn't feel bad about complaining. 

Mark

 

 



2008-06-03 10:44 PM
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Thanks for all the advice. I've sent a final written complaint, but seeing as I still haven't even received the workouts for this week I'm not expecting too much.

All that being said, I could use some recommendations on an good coach who communicates well. Ideally, I want a coach with IM experience, both racing and coaching.

Thanks again!
2008-06-04 7:42 AM
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OrbeaMan - 2008-06-03 10:44 PM Thanks for all the advice. I've sent a final written complaint, but seeing as I still haven't even received the workouts for this week I'm not expecting too much. All that being said, I could use some recommendations on an good coach who communicates well. Ideally, I want a coach with IM experience, both racing and coaching. Thanks again!
PM me what you are looking for and price range and I can send you some suggestions. BTW, don't focus too much whether a coach has done and IM, focus on what his/her athletes have accomplish and if they are happy with their training. At least a few of the best coaches around have never done an IM yet they are coaching Pros or AGers to podiums, just saying...
2008-06-04 7:52 AM
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amiine - 2008-06-04 8:42 AM
OrbeaMan - 2008-06-03 10:44 PM Thanks for all the advice. I've sent a final written complaint, but seeing as I still haven't even received the workouts for this week I'm not expecting too much. All that being said, I could use some recommendations on an good coach who communicates well. Ideally, I want a coach with IM experience, both racing and coaching. Thanks again!
PM me what you are looking for and price range and I can send you some suggestions. BTW, don't focus too much whether a coach has done and IM, focus on what his/her athletes have accomplish and if they are happy with their training. At least a few of the best coaches around have never done an IM yet they are coaching Pros or AGers to podiums, just saying...

That includes Jorge himself. 

To be fair... from what I've heard, Jorge is a good coach.

2008-06-04 8:06 AM
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Jorge is a GREAT coach!!
2008-06-04 9:13 AM
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Oh, I certainly don't think a coach needs to be like Macca in order to coach. I do think that having experience in endurance sports under your belt would make a big difference when it comes time to communicate with and understand athletes you coach.

Jorge is a great resource for BT and I appreciate the recmomendations. I'm going to be very thorough and deliberate this time around.

(FYI, I broke things off with my coach this morning.)


2008-06-05 8:36 AM
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Andrew,

Good luck with your search for a new coach; I hope that your next experience is more positive than the last

I would echo Jorge's point about not getting hung up on having an IM finisher as your coach; find someone who you click with, provides the program in a way that you are comfortable with, allows for as much contact as you require and you should be all set.

Shane

2008-06-05 10:25 PM
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Besides Jorge,

I would ask Jeepfleeb and BryanCD who coaches them. They both are fast, Bryan is super-fast. Both seem to be very fired up. Also I don't remember seeing injuries on their blogs.

I've been thinking about getting a coach but will probably wait till next year.
2008-06-05 10:37 PM
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jazz82482 - 2008-06-04 9:06 AM Jorge is a GREAT coach!!

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2008-06-05 10:48 PM
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Jorge,

I did not mean that because your injured that it means you know less than another coach. I've always liked your straight forward answers to BT members questions as well as your well researched answers to BT'ers questions. Injuries can happen to anyone no matter how careful a person is.

Maybe my 1st post was OK but I wanted to clarify since it is hard to get a person's point across over the internet.

I was just trying to give OrbeaMan some ideas where to start his search for a new coach.
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