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2005-01-26 12:26 AM

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Subject: Offset Cranks

Most cranks have the pedals directly opposed to one another, so if one foot is at BDC, the other is at TDC.  I saw an ad for an offset crank, meaning when one foot is down at bottom dead center (BDC), the top foot is just slightly forward (probably no more than 5 degrees) of top dead center (TDC).  The ad featured a guy who finished 3rd at Kona with this setup.

I don't know how its done, since each crank arm would need to rotate faster on the upstroke than the opposing pedal on the downstroke, but my question is this, is anyone familiar with these cranks and are they even worth the investment?  When one foot is at BDC, having the other foot ahead of TDC seems like it would be an advantage, but I could be wrong.



2005-01-26 9:23 AM
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Subject: RE: Offset Cranks
Hmmmm. Sounds strange. I'd be interested to view their web site. Regardless, you can offset your own crankset by just removing the crank arm and replacing it one spline to the left or right.
2005-01-26 9:39 AM
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Subject: RE: Offset Cranks
If you're talking about the Rotor cranks, I believe that they mechanically assist your "rising" foot through the typical "dead spot" that many people (myself included) have in their pedalling stroke. That way, as your one foot is going through the end of it's push, your other foot is a little beyond vertical and able to push down more rather than have to create a "forward" push vector... If your talking about the Power cranks (and I don't think you are), those things have a freewheel mechanism that forces your rising foot to pull itself up without any help from your pushing foot. From what I've been able to read up on both, it seems that the rotor crank helps you overcome imperfect technique while the power crank helps you improve your technique. Both of them would be interesting to play with though... Just my 2 psi.

Oh, and the rotor cranks have a cam in them. Cams are wonderful things Steve, you wouldn't be able to do it with a normal set of cranks by advancing one arm because while one arm would be a little ahead at the top of each cycle, the other arm would lag behind making the whole situation worse. Can you imagine going over a rocky mtb trail with both arms down a bit? Ick. I guess it would be ok if you had your other foot forward so that both arms would be up a little, but if you had to back pedal or cant a little bit and switch lead feet that would be most awkward

-Frank

Edited by scuba-punk 2005-01-26 9:43 AM
2005-01-26 9:45 AM
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Subject: RE: Offset Cranks

Sounds like THIS is what you're referring too:

http://www.rotorcranksusa.com/whatis.htm

Looks like it's a good theory, but then so were Biopace chainrings.



Edited by the bear 2005-01-26 9:45 AM
2005-01-26 9:49 AM
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Subject: RE: Offset Cranks

Hey!I found this one, this look really really interesting.

The name is Rotor Cranks, it is supposed to eliminate the "dead spot" of the top pedal. See the animation it explains a lot. http://www.rotorcranksusa.com/whatis.htmInthe front page is the list of allll the triathletes and cyclist who use it.

Looks interesting but the price is a bit high, $693 for the road double steel and $927 for the road double titanium :S

Edit: Damn you guys are fast!



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2005-01-26 9:51 AM
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the bear - 2005-01-26 8:45 AM

Sounds like THIS is what you're referring too:

http://www.rotorcranksusa.com/whatis.htm

Looks like it's a good theory, but then so were Biopace chainrings.

Wow, very interesting.  I biopace came and went rather quickly...but those had an eggshaped chainring so perhaps this idea is better....

I love change and would be all about trying this.  Obviously, I'll ask the coach to see what his thoughts are before doing anything rash.



2005-01-26 9:56 AM
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Here's this millenium's version of the Biopace:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/6807.0.html

2005-01-26 10:13 AM
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How Cool!!!!!
2005-01-26 10:30 AM
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Subject: RE: Offset Cranks

After reviewing the site, it all looks very reasonable (except for the price).  I wonder how much more it weighs than a typical fixed crank.  If you're doing a long bike in a tri, say 56 or 112 miles, this sounds like it would really be very helpful, especially when on hilly courses.

Also, if you delete the chainrings on your order, it reduces the price significantly.  So, I have two questions...are all chainrings interchangable with any crank?  Would my Shimano rings fit on this thing?  Also, it asks what kind of bottom bracket you have, BSA or Italian.  I presume the Italian refers to Campy and will dictate which way the crank arms are threaded, is that correct?



Edited by Motivated 2005-01-26 10:33 AM
2005-01-26 10:54 AM
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See the site's FAQ for a discussion on BSA vs Italian.

Per the website, the titanium crankset weighs 380 grams (about 13.4 ounces) more than Dura Ace.

Haven't seen if it's compatible with standard Shimano chainrings, but you can ask.

So, are you ordering a set, Karl?



Edited by the bear 2005-01-26 10:55 AM
2005-01-26 11:00 AM
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Subject: RE: Offset Cranks

No, not ordering them just yet.  I also looked into those Osymetric chain rings.  They cost considerably less and seem to accomplish the same basic function.  Check out the site....

http://www.osymetric.com/pricelist.htm

I am thinking about ordering a set of these to see how they work.  However, it would seem that when the chain is on the "thin" side of the chainring, that there might be some additional slack that could cause it to slip off, especially if you were making gear changes at just the wrong time.  But, if Ulrich swears by them in competition, I suppose they can't be all bad.

Those rotor cranks worry me since they're mechanical and have internal moving parts.  Plus, they add nearly an extra pound to the weight of the bike.



2005-01-26 11:46 AM
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Subject: RE: Offset Cranks

What's a pound among friends?

2005-01-26 12:09 PM
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Christmas/Thanksgiving/winter hibernation have addded 15 pounds to the weight of this bear. Another pound of crank won't even be noticed.
2005-01-26 12:26 PM
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the bear - 2005-01-26 11:09 AM  Another pound of crank won't even be noticed.

Of course it would!  I could only be so lucky!

Hey...someone had to do it!  it was there...it had to be said!!!

2005-01-26 12:51 PM
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Subject: RE: Offset Cranks

"Another pound of crank won't even be noticed"  - I bet if I asked Mother Bear, she might have another opinion (did I just say that out loud?)

John, I hear you...I, too am 15lbs heavier than my end of the season weight last year.  I don't notice it on the bike or swim so much, but I sure feel those lbs when I'm running.  I just visualize a 10lb and 5lb plate strapped to my back and it really motivates me to lose this weight and soon!

So, what do you think about these Osymetric chain rings?



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2005-01-26 1:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Offset Cranks
Not that it probably matters, but wouldn't your 90 rpm cadence with this rotor crank not be a true 90 rpm.  On the recovery stroke, are you essentially skipping gears.


2005-01-26 1:36 PM
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jkbostic - 2005-01-26 1:32 PM Not that it probably matters, but wouldn't your 90 rpm cadence with this rotor crank not be a true 90 rpm.  On the recovery stroke, are you essentially skipping gears.

Not necessarily.  One revolution is still one revolution.  The cam makes the push stroke longer and the pull stroke shorter, but you still complete a 360 degree revolution with each leg nonetheless.

2005-01-26 1:53 PM
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Yeah, Jeff, with 52 teeth you're still going to have the same gear ratios as you would with a 52-tooth round chainring, wouldn't you?
2005-01-26 4:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Offset Cranks
Think of it this way. If you run a lap on a 400m track and keep the same speed the whole way around except that you sped up to sprint the last 30 meters... where's the shortcut?

-Frank
2005-01-26 5:14 PM
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Just got the nix from the coach on this contraption.  Sounds like your pedal stroke will end up getting a pretty heavy dead spot after using this chainring for a while.

2005-01-26 6:55 PM
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That makes sense, Steve, seems like the whole idea of clipless pedals and round pedaling technique is to eliminate the "dead spots" by building strength around the whole pedaling cycle. Using this kind of "crutch" would prevent you from building that strength, so that the "dead spots" would be even more pronounced when (if?) you went back to a "normal" crank.


2005-01-26 11:57 PM
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So, you could have one set of cranks (or chainring, whichever you prefer) on your training bike, and another set on your racing bike, and then you'd get to train with good technique and race with an advantage..............
2005-01-27 6:36 AM
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Angie - 2005-01-26 11:57 PM So, you could have one set of cranks (or chainring, whichever you prefer) on your training bike, and another set on your racing bike, and then you'd get to train with good technique and race with an advantage..............

I like your thinking, Angie....

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