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2008-07-26 8:55 PM

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Subject: Ironman Kentucky training on 10 hrs a week?

Well the race is getting close and the last 2 weekends I have had life interfere with my long rides. Looking back at the training I have been doing I have only had 6 weeks of training this year of more than 10 hours and only 1 century ride. The surprising thing is that I have been racing better than I ever have and am going into these final 4 weeks feeling that I am ready for KY.

I have to give a lot of credit for how well my races have gone this year to the workouts my  coach, Kevin Crossman of T3Coaching , has been writing. He has been writing workouts for 13-16 hr weeks but "life" has gotten in the way so I have been doing most of the workouts as planned, just shorten them.

One thing I have done much better this year is to make sure I am getting rest. I'll take the extra sleep rather than workout on 4 or 5 hours. Last year I was more stressed about getting the hours in and not about the sleep. What a difference in recovery!!

Just wanted to vent a bit. How is everyone elses training going?



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2008-07-26 9:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Ironman Kentucky training on 10 hrs a week?
I understand.  I'm canning a morning workout tomorrow for some extra zzz's.  I've had a few soild weeks.  Today I rode 113, but the workout more for psychological than physiological.  Best of Luck with the next few weeks.
2008-07-26 10:26 PM
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I think I heard a saying before that it's better to be at a race undertrained, healthy and rested than overtrained, and injured...

I've been training pretty constantly and you will still finish before me..   

2008-07-26 11:32 PM
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I've heard the same thing, better to be 20% undertrained than 1% overtrainef. This has remained my training mantra since.
2008-07-27 12:15 AM
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Gaarryy - 2008-07-26 8:26 PM

I think I heard a saying before that it's better to be at a race undertrained, healthy and rested than overtrained, and injured...

I've been training pretty constantly and you will still finish before me..

What is "over trained"? I don't think there can be such a thing? That would be like saying I practiced way too hard on my swim stroke or spent too much time working on hills. In my mind there is no such thing as OVER training. Under training, sure, but then just adjust your goals for your race and all will be well again.

Saying you're 1% over trained like is is a bad thing? I'd like to be 100% over trained for my upcoming IM, just not enough time, I also make sure I sleep / rest enough to recover!

2008-07-27 4:14 AM
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hazmaster - 2008-07-27 1:15 AM
Gaarryy - 2008-07-26 8:26 PM

I think I heard a saying before that it's better to be at a race undertrained, healthy and rested than overtrained, and injured...

I've been training pretty constantly and you will still finish before me..

What is "over trained"? I don't think there can be such a thing? That would be like saying I practiced way too hard on my swim stroke or spent too much time working on hills. In my mind there is no such thing as OVER training. Under training, sure, but then just adjust your goals for your race and all will be well again.

Saying you're 1% over trained like is is a bad thing? I'd like to be 100% over trained for my upcoming IM, just not enough time, I also make sure I sleep / rest enough to recover!

I learned my lesson in 2006 with over training. I was training for a 1/2 IM and thought I was within my limits. Cardio wise I was well within my limits but a week before my first race was diagnosed with a femoral stress fracture.

When you're pushing limits training for IM races, it's easy to get caught up "having to get the workout in". I believe that is the "over training" what he was referring to.

That was a huge benefit I have found hiring a coach. He keeps tabs on whether I'm doing too much or not enough.



2008-07-27 6:10 AM
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Subject: RE: Ironman Kentucky training on 10 hrs a week?
hazmaster - 2008-07-27 12:15 AM
Gaarryy - 2008-07-26 8:26 PM

I think I heard a saying before that it's better to be at a race undertrained, healthy and rested than overtrained, and injured...

I've been training pretty constantly and you will still finish before me..

What is "over trained"? I don't think there can be such a thing? That would be like saying I practiced way too hard on my swim stroke or spent too much time working on hills. In my mind there is no such thing as OVER training. Under training, sure, but then just adjust your goals for your race and all will be well again.

Saying you're 1% over trained like is is a bad thing? I'd like to be 100% over trained for my upcoming IM, just not enough time, I also make sure I sleep / rest enough to recover!

 

I agree that 'over training' is odd concept but I think 'over training' implies a degree of injury and/or putting your body in less than optimal condition.  Certainly if I followed an IM training plan for an Oly distance race, the denotation of 'over training' would apply....but I'd perform quite well in the Oly.  :-)

To the OP....I think we all have in mind the volume of training we think we need to do to get ready for an IM and then life happens.  Unless you are a pro and IM training IS your job, other priorities often trump trainng priorities.  I doubt you will find many people at IMKY who followed their training plans "to a T". 

~Mike

2008-07-27 9:20 AM
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" Unless you are a pro and IM training IS your job, other priorities often trump trainng priorities.  I doubt you will find many people at IMKY who followed their training plans "to a T".  "

~Mike



Yep, spoken like a normal person, and probably reflecting how most of us have been!
2008-07-27 11:32 AM
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hazmaster - 2008-07-27 12:15 AM
Gaarryy - 2008-07-26 8:26 PM

I think I heard a saying before that it's better to be at a race undertrained, healthy and rested than overtrained, and injured...

I've been training pretty constantly and you will still finish before me..

What is "over trained"? I don't think there can be such a thing? That would be like saying I practiced way too hard on my swim stroke or spent too much time working on hills. In my mind there is no such thing as OVER training. Under training, sure, but then just adjust your goals for your race and all will be well again.

Saying you're 1% over trained like is is a bad thing? I'd like to be 100% over trained for my upcoming IM, just not enough time, I also make sure I sleep / rest enough to recover!

well if your coach or training plan says to bike 4 hr's and you decide to bike 8 hrs would be one example..   I think the saying is popular since between the two choices of being healthy and not getting all your training in vs getting extra training in but being injured so you can't give a good  effort, most people would opt for not being injured.  IMHO  I honestly think that unless you are training 25+ hrs a week, it's very difficult to be overtrained. It's just a saying that gets thrown around some. I really think most people that have jobs and other things going in their lives are under recovered. which you also said about getting enough sleep so I can see your point.

Your body can do some incredible things but it needs rest.  Most people that are under recovered [over fatigued] for the next work out have a great chance of being injured if their body is trained in that state over time.  it's very easy for people to think that they over trained when in reality they never recovered from their last workout. It's a pretty fine line between the two I image.  This topic usually comes up when people are talking about their running for an IM as compared to a stand alone marathon.. usually for a stand alone marathon I'll be doing a few long runs in the 18-20 mile range. I think my longest run for this upcoming IM will be 16. & even after doing that I could tell it took a few days to get my legs back so the following days workouts suffered as a result.

You're doing IMCA right??  I looked at your training and I think you are doing great btw 

2008-07-27 4:27 PM
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i've been doing about 10hr/wk for the most part and feel more than adequately prepared. i'm fitter, faster, and stronger than ever.  i have every intention of letting those 10 hours per week carry me to a sub-12 finish on 4th Street.  Like the OP, proper rest, recovery, and periodization has been the key to my success this far.

 Just one more month...

 ~B

2008-07-27 4:52 PM
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2008-07-27 5:18 PM
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I'm gonna show up at IMOO under-trained, and likely under-rested (we have a newborn at home ), but I plan on having FUN!!!

I may not have gotten all the volume in that I wanted, but I lost 40 pounds, I can bike for 5 hours without a problem, and I ran a marathon as a training run and felt great at the end. Thankfully, I have no time "goals" for IMOO, so I can take it easy and enjoy the race....and I can enjoy our newborn son as well.

2008-07-30 10:38 AM
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2008-07-30 10:59 AM
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You can see what I did at LP on only 4 weeks of increased training (over 10 hours) and pretty much nothing more than 7 or 8 the rest of the year ..........
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2008-07-30 11:21 AM
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This a great discussion for me. The guilt of feeling underprepared due to life getting in the way has really started to weigh on me lately.


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