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 2008-08-19 11:30 AM |
Veteran  216  Altoona, Iowa |  Subject: How to figure a PR???I have been wondering how one goes about figuring a personal record in triathlon. In the four races I have done this year none of them have been the same distance. Usually the run is a 5k except a race I have coming in September. The swim and bike have varied from 150m to 750m for the swim and 10M to 18M on the bike. Are PR's taken from the same race in different years? Or, the average speed for the distances involved? Just a newbie question. |
| 2008-08-19 11:33 AM in reply to: #1613576 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290  The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? BucNIowa - 2008-08-19 11:30 AM I have been wondering how one goes about figuring a personal record in triathlon. In the four races I have done this year none of them have been the same distance. Usually the run is a 5k except a race I have coming in September. The swim and bike have varied from 150m to 750m for the swim and 10M to 18M on the bike. Are PR's taken from the same race in different years? Or, the average speed for the distances involved? Just a newbie question. Mine are. Hard to compare different races, even if the distances are the same, the terrain and other conditions probably isn't. Even the same race can have different courses (especially on the swim) from year to year. |
| 2008-08-19 4:06 PM in reply to: #1613584 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? the bear - 2008-08-19 11:33 AM BucNIowa - 2008-08-19 11:30 AM I have been wondering how one goes about figuring a personal record in triathlon. In the four races I have done this year none of them have been the same distance. Usually the run is a 5k except a race I have coming in September. The swim and bike have varied from 150m to 750m for the swim and 10M to 18M on the bike. Are PR's taken from the same race in different years? Or, the average speed for the distances involved? Just a newbie question. Mine are. Hard to compare different races, even if the distances are the same, the terrain and other conditions probably isn't. Even the same race can have different courses (especially on the swim) from year to year. Ain't that the truth. I have done the Pleasant Prairie Sprint Tri 2 years in a row now. My swim is dramatically different this year than last year, and I had EXACTLY the same time this year as I did last year. The only difference was last year I was in a wet suit and this year I wasn't. Even still, I've talked to others that did the race both years and we all agree, it was long this year. PR's are hard in Tri's. I normally go off of pace, though. And even that is not equitable. |
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| Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? JeepFleeb - 2008-08-19 5:18 PM Since olympic, HIM and Ironman have specific definitions, I'll count any races of those distances as a possible PR. Be careful there as well. The upcoming HiFi "Olympic" has a 19-mile bike, and the Ironstar "HIM" had a 59-mile bike the year I did it. |
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| 2008-08-19 10:11 PM in reply to: #1613576 |
Master 1826  | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? I refuse to call any race that is not 1500m, 40km, 10km an oly. That is the distance and that is an oly.. it drives me nuts when RDs put together something like a 1mile swim, 22 mile bike, and 6.2 mile run and call it an oly. Just like a HIM and IM.. they have distances and it is black or white.. I personally like the idea of a sprint being defined as 1/2 the distance of an oly .. 750m swim, 20km bike, 5km run.. but that will never happen |
| 2008-08-20 7:24 AM in reply to: #1614634 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? JeepFleeb - 2008-08-19 5:18 PM Since olympic, HIM and Ironman have specific definitions, I'll count any races of those distances as a possible PR. Too much variation in sprints to make it worth the effort of keeping track. ..but not all Half or Full IM's are created equaul in terms ont he course. Clearly some courses are much faster than others. Is a 10 hour IMFL better than a 10:05 IMLP? I think not and so would still say you really only can PR per course. |
| 2008-08-20 8:04 AM in reply to: #1615245 |
| Expert 1187 Ontario | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? slake707 - 2008-08-19 11:11 PM I refuse to call any race that is not 1500m, 40km, 10km an oly. That is the distance and that is an oly.. it drives me nuts when RDs put together something like a 1mile swim, 22 mile bike, and 6.2 mile run and call it an oly. Just like a HIM and IM.. they have distances and it is black or white.. I personally like the idea of a sprint being defined as 1/2 the distance of an oly .. 750m swim, 20km bike, 5km run.. but that will never happen I'm doing Ironman Muskoka 70.3 next month... the bike will be 58 miles, so nothing is really black or white. |
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| Master 1826 | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? cathyd - 2008-08-20 9:04 AM slake707 - 2008-08-19 11:11 PM I refuse to call any race that is not 1500m, 40km, 10km an oly. That is the distance and that is an oly.. it drives me nuts when RDs put together something like a 1mile swim, 22 mile bike, and 6.2 mile run and call it an oly. Just like a HIM and IM.. they have distances and it is black or white.. I personally like the idea of a sprint being defined as 1/2 the distance of an oly .. 750m swim, 20km bike, 5km run.. but that will never happen I'm doing Ironman Muskoka 70.3 next month... the bike will be 58 miles, so nothing is really black or white. It is black or white.. the bike is long. |
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| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? JeepFleeb - 2008-08-20 8:35 AM bryancd - 2008-08-20 7:24 AM ...and so would still say you really only can PR per course. But not all courses have the same weather each year. Is it fair to compare a time from IM Wisconsin in '05 to '06 to '07 when they had dramatically different conditions each time? For sure, but I still say you can only PR an individual course. The vagries of weather are as random as bad nutrition. Saying a flat course and a hilly course are comparable for determining a PR just seems too far off the mark. |
| 2008-08-20 12:13 PM in reply to: #1613576 |
| Regular 98 Charlottesville, VA | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? I just go off of pace, and from doing the same race from year to year. If you haven't had any repeats yet then all your races are PR's. |
| 2008-08-20 12:28 PM in reply to: #1616398 |
| Master 2491 | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? stumax - 2008-08-20 1:13 PM I just go off of pace, and from doing the same race from year to year. If you haven't had any repeats yet then all your races are PR's. x2 For different courses, I look at the pace for each of the 3 disciplines. |
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| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? monkeyboy64 - 2008-08-20 12:28 PM stumax - 2008-08-20 1:13 PM I just go off of pace, and from doing the same race from year to year. If you haven't had any repeats yet then all your races are PR's. x2 For different courses, I look at the pace for each of the 3 disciplines. But now you are back to the issue of the physical nature of the course. Leave wetaher out of it for now, and just consider my example. If you rode a 5:30 at IMFL and then rode a 5:40 at say an IMC, would you say your performance was better at FL? |
| 2008-08-20 1:20 PM in reply to: #1613576 |
| Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? Why does weather, course, or any of those varaiables other than distance matter when considering a PR? When the IAAF or whatever governing body recognizes the world record for the marathon, it doesn't distinguish that X is the record for a flat course with a high of 60°F and Y is the record for a course with moderate hills and a high of 85°F. Only one world record is recognized for each gender. Similarly, I don't keep seperate PRs for my marathons under a variety of conditions but recognize only my fastest time at that distance. The BAA doesn't care if my BQ marathon was run on hills or flats, in snow or ocean breezes, just that it falls within their standards. Why should triathlons be any different? Isn't your fastest Olympic/HIM/IM your PR regardless of where you set it and what the weather was? |
| 2008-08-20 1:23 PM in reply to: #1613576 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? Well, it's a "Personal Record" so it's up to the individual to decide how they qualify it. I choose to qualify it by the race as opposed to the event distance. |
| 2008-08-20 1:24 PM in reply to: #1616620 |
| Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? the bear - 2008-08-20 11:20 AM Why does weather, course, or any of those varaiables other than distance matter when considering a PR? When the IAAF or whatever governing body recognizes the world record for the marathon, it doesn't distinguish that X is the record for a flat course with a high of 60°F and Y is the record for a course with moderate hills and a high of 85°F. Only one world record is recognized for each gender. Similarly, I don't keep seperate PRs for my marathons under a variety of conditions but recognize only my fastest time at that distance. The BAA doesn't care if my BQ marathon was run on hills or flats, in snow or ocean breezes, just that it falls within their standards. Why should triathlons be any different? Isn't your fastest Olympic/HIM/IM your PR regardless of where you set it and what the weather was? Yup. (As noted earlier in the thread, though, I wouldn't consider anything not 1.5/40/10 an "Olympic" PR...I haven't actually seen an RD around here call something other than that an "Olympic" distance, yet...I've only seen it called "international" distance, which seems to be the appropriate catch-all, like "sprint". I'm sure some RDs are less scrupulous, of course...) |
| 2008-08-20 1:30 PM in reply to: #1616626 |
| Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? bryancd - 2008-08-20 1:23 PM Well, it's a "Personal Record" so it's up to the individual to decide how they qualify it. I choose to qualify it by the race as opposed to the event distance. So if someone asks you about your marathon PR, you tell them...? |
| 2008-08-20 1:41 PM in reply to: #1616644 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: How to figure a PR??? the bear - 2008-08-20 1:30 PM bryancd - 2008-08-20 1:23 PM Well, it's a "Personal Record" so it's up to the individual to decide how they qualify it. I choose to qualify it by the race as opposed to the event distance. So if someone asks you about your marathon PR, you tell them...? Well, it just so happens that my PR in regards to time also occured on the most difficult course I have run an open marathon, 2:58:44 in Boston this year. Same with IM, my 9:40 at Kona was 3min fater than my IMAZ. I look at PR not so much as the finishing time, but the total perfromance and my feelings about it. Like you, I do a few local races where the course is always the same and use those for pure time evelaution. So there if I run a sub 36min 10K at an Olympic race, that would be my run PR, but I would qualify it as being done on a fast course. Like I said, course matters to me.  I actually touched upon this in my Boston RR. I was pysched to go 2:59 at the Phoenix RnR Marathon, but going sub 3 at Boston was MUCH more meaningful to me. Same with going sub 10 at IMAZ. Great but sub 10 at Kona was way better. Edited by bryancd 2008-08-20 1:48 PM |
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