The Ironman motto is "Anything is Possible" and the generic grueling sports saying goes "No Pain, No Gain!". Today in Madison, Wisconsin it was a little bit of both as two pro triathletes pulled off an amazing feat just a week after participating in Ironman Louisville. Chris McDonald and Hillary Biscay proved today that they are definitely IRON TOUGH as they pulled off the amazing feat by both winning the Ironman titles at Ironman Wisconsin today. WOW
Easiest to Hardest IM? (Page 2)
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2008-09-08 12:52 PM in reply to: #1658320 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? jszat - 2008-09-08 12:47 PM The sub 9:30 and plus 15 hour IMs look pretty tough, but the ones from 10:30-14:59 seem doable.
A buddy of mine says that people seem to cheer the loudest for the first ones and the last ones to cross the finish line. :-) ~Mike |
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2008-09-08 12:59 PM in reply to: #1657637 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? Seriously, Mike. You'll get less argument and personal attacks posting political threads in CoJ than you will posting a topic like this. |
2008-09-08 1:01 PM in reply to: #1658357 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? But, I don't think you'll find most people arguing against Lanzarote being the hardest. |
2008-09-08 1:41 PM in reply to: #1657637 |
Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? They're all hard, some made harder by the weather conditions. It's funny that people rank AZ easy and LP hard. A friend of mine did LP in 06 and AZ in 4/08. He said (for HIM, so there isn't any confusion), having done both courses, the conditions at AZ when he did it made that course head and shoulders harder than LP when he did it. he thought it would be flat and easy.... bike was about the same for both So based on your criteria: Rogillio - 2008-09-08 8:13 AM But what I asked was for your perception of which course was most difficult. Just looking for YOUR opinion not hard data. Kinda like if I asked 'Who makes the best tri bike?' The obvious answer is Felt but we'd all have opinions about numbers 2, 3, 4 etc. ;-) (can you tell what kind of bike I ride?) ~Mike AZ would be harder than LP, based on one person's hard data, which really makes no sense. So, how many angels can fit on the head of a pin anyway? Impossible to say course A is harder than course B, unless you're talking Lanzarote or Norseman Edited by ChrisM 2008-09-08 1:46 PM |
2008-09-08 3:12 PM in reply to: #1658357 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? run4yrlif - 2008-09-08 12:59 PM Seriously, Mike. You'll get less argument and personal attacks posting political threads in CoJ than you will posting a topic like this.
Yeah, I didn't really think about this before I posted the question. The thought just came to my lil' haid and I posted it. Had I thought about it, I'd of realized no good come come of this debate. No one wants to think that thier even was "easier" than someone else's IM. Ironically, this same impulsive nature of mine is how I ended up doing 2 IM races and signed up for a 3rd. Had I actually stopped to "think" about it, I'd never had done it. :-) Too bad we can't yank our own threads. :-) (ok, no wise cracks!) ~Mike |
2008-09-08 8:33 PM in reply to: #1658357 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? run4yrlif - 2008-09-08 12:59 PM Seriously, Mike. You'll get less argument and personal attacks posting political threads in CoJ than you will posting a topic like this. Totally agree. You guys wouldn't last a minute in a College Football or NFL forum picking the best teams...Too worried over how the question was posed. I know nobody wants to claim they did the easiest, but.... Expanding this globally: Germany - easiest. Want a world record? You get a free bratwurst with every record. Florida - AZ - Middle America races WI, KY, CDA, LP Brazil, Austrailia Canada - Anything with the word "Pass" in the bike ride deserves respect Kona - brutal, except for every 7th year when the wind calms and the clouds show up. Lanzarote - The devil works the run transition, Hitler and Saddam run the aid stations Let me have it!! |
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2008-09-08 8:42 PM in reply to: #1657878 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? CubeFarmGopher - 2008-09-08 11:24 AM But to take an actual serious stab at your OP: 1. FL (Flat and fast) 2. AZ (Flat but windier in the Spring) 3. CdL (Hills but cooler temps) 4. WI (Hills but more random weather) 5. KY (Less hills but more debilitating heat) 6. LP (Mountains but cooler temps) 7. Kona (Heat. Wind. Hills. Mystique.) I think the same way..started with a harder one IMLP in the rain no less..next one I plan to do is IMFL. How we do on any specific day has so many variables..training, executing race plan, hydration, nutrition, sodium intake, weather...plus we all have different strengths and weaknesses.....cool thing it is always a huge challenge 140.6 is a long way no matter what the terrain and weather. No having everyone agree on this topic... |
2008-09-08 9:10 PM in reply to: #1658367 |
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2008-09-08 9:36 PM in reply to: #1657900 |
Master 1219 Sachse | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? AbbieR - 2008-09-08 10:30 AM Rogillio - 2008-09-08 8:13 AM I knew there would be purists who say that the IM events cannot be ranked because there are too many variables - training level, weather, individual strengths/weaknesses etc. Certainly one could do a statistical analysis of finish times, elevation gains, temperatures, wind speed, cloud cover, water salinity and pH factor to quantify which course is historically the most difficult. But what I asked was for your perception of which course was most difficult. Just looking for YOUR opinion not hard data. Kinda like if I asked 'Who makes the best tri bike?' The obvious answer is Felt but we'd all have opinions about numbers 2, 3, 4 etc. ;-) (can you tell what kind of bike I ride?) ~Mike I'm not only going to take your keyboard away, but I may hit you over the head with it! Where would that fit on a pie chart? Mike, please go sign up for the Grand Floridian so you'll be out there training rather than thinking of new and interesting thread topics HAHA.. watch it Mike! She is going to stick that keyboard in your pie Kenny |
2008-09-08 10:13 PM in reply to: #1657685 |
Veteran 306 Dallas | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? JeepFleeb - 2008-09-08 9:23 AM Easiest to hardest: 1. The IM you've trained properly for. 2. The IM you haven't trained properly for. I second that motion, BUT. . . . I did IM 70.3 Hawaii in 2007. Half the run was through Baking Lava Fields. You could see that wierd illusion you get from heat off of a hot surface. The bike was the middle part of the IM Championship course up to Hawi. Heat and crosss winds. That day it was about 93 to 95 degrees. IM Lou this year was 93 degrees for a high. It felt totally different from the heat in Hawaii. As stated before, It depends on the DAY, Your Training Level and your Mind Set going into the event. I just read Chrissie Wellingtons blog of 4 days ago. She just won an event and said she Wanted Hills or a good Head Wind to make up for the lack of hills. I want FLATS and a TAIL WIND! ! ! ! ! So that is a hard question to quantify. . . Though, I sure did enjoy my experiance at IM Lou. . . (though that was my only IM. . . So Far) |
2008-09-08 10:37 PM in reply to: #1657637 |
Pro 4339 Husker Nation | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? My perception [since I have no data, actual or experiential] is the same as yours Mike - the hills are what get me and the openness/wind at Kona might nudge it up as you suggested. |
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2008-09-09 6:45 AM in reply to: #1657637 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? Here's a little empirical data. Putting aside the obvious how-the-ell-does-anyone-win-an-IM-a-week-after-finishing-2nd-in-an-IM-a-week-before, this would idicate KY is "easier" than IMWI. He was 10 minutes slower than IMKY and won. IMWI 1. CHRIS MCDONALD 8:43:29 IMKY 1. Maximilian Longree, DEU 8:33:58 2. Chris McDonald, AUS 8:54:52
Last Week 2nd in Louisville, Today 1st in Wisconsin for Chris McDonald |
2008-09-09 4:01 PM in reply to: #1660513 |
Master 1404 Saratoga Springs, Utah | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? Am I reading your quote right 10 minutes slower than IMKY and won. Looks to me he was 11 minutes faster at IMWI. |
2008-09-09 4:02 PM in reply to: #1662158 |
Master 1404 Saratoga Springs, Utah | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? I see your looking at the wrong guys time. |
2008-09-09 4:04 PM in reply to: #1662162 |
Pro 4339 Husker Nation | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? gerald12 - 2008-09-09 4:02 PM I see your looking at the wrong guys time. Yeah it messed me up too at first - he's saying the overall winner at IMKY was 10 min. faster than the overall winner at IMWI, even though the same guy went faster at IMWI. Kinda cornfusing, if you ask me! |
2008-09-09 4:10 PM in reply to: #1660513 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? Rogillio - 2008-09-09 6:45 AM Here's a little empirical data. Putting aside the obvious how-the-ell-does-anyone-win-an-IM-a-week-after-finishing-2nd-in-an-IM-a-week-before, this would idicate KY is "easier" than IMWI. He was 10 minutes slower than IMKY and won. IMWI 1. CHRIS MCDONALD 8:43:29 IMKY 1. Maximilian Longree, DEU 8:33:58 2. Chris McDonald, AUS 8:54:52
Last Week 2nd in Louisville, Today 1st in Wisconsin for Chris McDonaldThe Ironman motto is "Anything is Possible" and the generic grueling sports saying goes "No Pain, No Gain!". Today in Madison, Wisconsin it was a little bit of both as two pro triathletes pulled off an amazing feat just a week after participating in Ironman Louisville. Chris McDonald and Hillary Biscay proved today that they are definitely IRON TOUGH as they pulled off the amazing feat by both winning the Ironman titles at Ironman Wisconsin today. WOW
A 90+ degree day vs a 70 degree day is kind of a big factor to compare the two. Conditions at MOO were ideal for fast splits like last year. Not the case at LOO. |
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2008-09-09 5:20 PM in reply to: #1662172 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? Bripod - 2008-09-09 4:04 PM gerald12 - 2008-09-09 4:02 PM I see your looking at the wrong guys time. Yeah it messed me up too at first - he's saying the overall winner at IMKY was 10 min. faster than the overall winner at IMWI, even though the same guy went faster at IMWI. Kinda cornfusing, if you ask me!
Yes, very confusing. I confused myself too....but that's never hard to do.
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2008-09-09 7:02 PM in reply to: #1658892 |
Master 2005 South Florida | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? Rogillio - 2008-09-08 4:12 PM run4yrlif - 2008-09-08 12:59 PM Seriously, Mike. You'll get less argument and personal attacks posting political threads in CoJ than you will posting a topic like this.
Yeah, I didn't really think about this before I posted the question. The thought just came to my lil' haid and I posted it. Had I thought about it, I'd of realized no good come come of this debate. No one wants to think that thier even was "easier" than someone else's IM. Ironically, this same impulsive nature of mine is how I ended up doing 2 IM races and signed up for a 3rd. Had I actually stopped to "think" about it, I'd never had done it. :-) Too bad we can't yank our own threads. :-) (ok, no wise cracks!) ~Mike
Yes, I found this thread sort of insulting.....but I'm glad we've cleared up the fact that it's virtually impossible to rank these in easiest to hardest order (IMFL 2007 Finisher) |
2008-09-09 9:14 PM in reply to: #1657637 |
Expert 957 | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? Arizona 08 would have been perfect for me compared to IMLP 08, which was my personal nightmare and mission impossible for me. Hills (particularly scary downhills in the rain) are not my thing on the bike (though I love downhills when running and running in the rain for some reason). And I was cold all day, yet I was probably dressed warmer than most. I seem to do pretty well in the heat- I may not like it, but I can handle it (see Eagleman 08- half marathon time was only 30 seconds slower than last year). And wind- what wind? I've ridden in a couple of tropical storms before and live by the ocean- it's hard for wind to seem tough to me... It just doesn't bother me (if 20+ mph bothered me, I could never ride around here). And growing up by the ocean (and being a swimmer), an ocean swim is fine for me and lets me take advantage of my swim ability as does Louisville- others can't handle a non-wetsuit swim. So it all depends. Edited by oceanannie 2008-09-09 9:20 PM |
2008-09-11 11:20 PM in reply to: #1657637 |
Expert 1027 Zürich, Switzerland | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? reading this thread I went to check the Hawaii qualification assignements for the "easy" ones. It seems that AZ with few minutes below 10hrs you should get it. The bike course is fast (and windy). Maybe I think on subscribing. We should need to understand the easiest to access by online subscriptions. I hope AZ is not crazy for that. FL is crazy for sure and I know it. In november I will try to see |
2008-10-18 7:11 PM in reply to: #1657637 |
Veteran 183 Coeur D Alene, Idaho | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? "Easiest" to "Hardest" by course description doesn't account for actual race-day conditions, but DNFs due to brutal conditions do. For that IMAZ April '08 was the 4th "Hardest" M-Dot-Branded Ironman ever, (4th most DNFs) due to a wicked combination of wind and heat. For me personally, Florida would be "Harder" than AZ due to Humidity. Edited by erodda 2008-10-18 7:17 PM |
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2008-10-18 9:11 PM in reply to: #1657637 |
Veteran 377 | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? the hardest one is any one that any one of us just completed. SO- if you finished KY this last month, then that was the hardest IM in the history of the sport. the easiest one is the one that somebody else just finished that you have never done. sheeesh now, ask us a hard question. oh, and the Great Floridian is the ONLY real 140.6 distance. It is so IRONMAN that M-dot is affraid of it! jus sayin FF |
2008-10-19 11:26 PM in reply to: #1657637 |
Extreme Veteran 498 Carpinteria, Ca. | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? Maybe a better way to get thru the purist Psyche here is to ask which IM folks would recommend to their first timer best friend that could travel anywhere? I have no comment, have only done one tri, though it happened to be a HIM. |
2008-10-20 7:03 AM in reply to: #1657637 |
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2008-10-20 7:08 AM in reply to: #1657637 |
Expert 1027 Zürich, Switzerland | Subject: RE: Easiest to Hardest IM? I would say Inferno triathlon is the hardest in the world together with the Ironman de l'Alpe d'Huez in France. The rest is nothing compared to those two. |
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