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2008-10-01 9:01 PM

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Subject: IM Swim Training Question
How important do you feel it is to actually swim the entire 2.4 miles while in training (and if important how many times do you actually do it before race day)? Do you feel that it's truely necessary, or nothing more than a mental check mark to get you to race day?

I'm consistently a 2:00/100 swimmer and with the IM less than 2 months out, my speed is probably going to stay where it is. I am consistenly swimming 2500 yards 2-3 time a week right now very comfortably. I could really keep going, but run out of time as I swim on my lunch break. If I keep a solid base of 2500-3000 yards 2-3 times a week, am I going to be just as well off as having swam the actual distance 3,4,5 times? Would I benefit that much more by bumping up?

Just curious as to some thoughts/comments/suggestions. Thanks!!!





2008-10-01 9:08 PM
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2008-10-01 9:15 PM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question
That's what I thought, but just wanted some re-assurance to ease my mind as to why I'm not spending 1:20 in the pool instead of 50 minutes. It just doesn't seem that necessary. Kind of like marathon training, you only do 20-22 miles as that will get you to the finish line on raceday.

Thanks for the reply.
2008-10-01 9:17 PM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question

For me it was a big deal.

First time I upped the distance and did xxx yards it was fatiguing on my body. I remember my first IM distance swim..my back was so sore..to much looking up to site and it really zapped me but as a slow swimmer it was so sweet...I knew I could do it.

The next week I did another IM distance swim and took 18' off my time.

I needed the mental knowledge I could do it and also let my body adapt to doing the time/distance. It may be a highly variable need depending on your situation.

2008-10-01 10:18 PM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question
Personally I needed to do it. Well I certainly did not run the marathon in training I did do the 180 km bike in training, I figured make sure I could do it.

Probably a personal thing, you do not sound like you need it mentally, so you will be fine.
2008-10-02 12:33 AM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question

Sort of begs the question, would you benefit from swimming 10K-12K a week vs. 7500-9K a week?  Yes.   Would you gain any benefit from going 2.4?  Probably not, if you are comfortable in the water.  But there is something additional besides having "done the distance."  The swim sets up your day.  Whatever you spend in the swim costs you later in the run.  IM is all about (IMO) getting  to the mary "ready" to run a mary.

Some coaches (including one who coached a friend to Kona) advocate getting your swim fitness to a point where you can easily do a 5K swim.

However, with 2 months left I am not sure there is much you can do to get faster over the 2.4



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2008-10-02 9:08 AM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question
I did one 2.4 mile swim just to ease my mind that I could do it, but the weekly volume was enough to make it easily. I was not blazing 1:18, but I did feel I could have made another lap even if I needed too, I was doing about 7000 yards a week. Good Luck
2008-10-02 9:12 AM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question

I followed the path you are taking for my first IM and I have to admit when I finished the swim I was more tired that I thought I would be...I swim at the same pace and was very surprised when I finished my swim time was 1:36 (thought I would swim 1:20 or so) - I really tired out the last half of the swim.  So this begs the question, should you swim more?

You have two months, take one swim a week and make it continuous, add 5 minutes each week till you get to 1:20.   The other two swims should be 2500-3000yds.  Better still if you can swim a few times in open water for over an hour...  The beauty of swimming is you don't need any real recovery like you would for a long run or super long bike.

2008-10-02 9:20 AM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question

I'm with ChrisM on this one.  I don't think getting the 2.4 done will be an issue for you, however the additional 1600 some odd yards may take more out of you than you are prepared for, setting up lot's of problems later in the day.  Personally, the fact you stated you feel great after 2500 - 3000 yds, means you can take some additional yardage.  I understand the limited time thing.  See if you can swim at a different time and try to even get a few swims of 3500 yds in.  Our bodies tend to "lock" us into certain times and distances.  My guess is during the IM you will feel amazing right up to the 3000 yd mark and will really start to feel the fatigue the next 1000 or so yds.  You have better than a month before taper, so plenty of time.  IMO you will be so pleased when you exit the water and aren't completely wiped out.  It is a VERY long day, every minute you can extend the exhaustion is a prized minute.

 Best of Luck!

2008-10-02 9:47 AM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question
Not necessary.  But doing it at least once or twice is probably still a very good idea.
2008-10-02 12:12 PM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question
For me it was a big deal. In addition, I also needed long distance swims in open water for the mental benefits.


2008-10-02 12:26 PM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question

When I started bike and run tapering at 3 weeks out I actually increased my swimming to 5x a week and did my two longest swims during my r/b taper. It worked well as swimming kept me busy doing stuff while volume decreased.

I will do the same way next IM.

I was happy when I came out of the water...felt great and not tired just ready to get on the bike.

2008-10-02 12:44 PM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question
I don't think there's a need to do a 2.4 mile continuous swim, but I would not advocate going into the race without having done some workouts of 4km or more. Personally I have at least one 4k-5k session per week in the final six week build to an IM with the last one 10 days out. These are hard sessions with a combination of very fast swim sets and longer steady-state intervals.

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2008-10-02 1:42 PM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question
I am doing my first IM in 30 days (Gack!), and even though I have had no doubt that I can comfortably swim the distance, my coach has me on a schedule very similar to what Scott describes. I swim twice a week with one swim around 4k and one swim around 5k. They mix up strokes, drills, speed, and steady swims. I am not fast, so it takes me quite a long time, but my confidence with regard to not just being comfortable but strong has increased exponentially. So, while I agree that you probably could easily do the distance come race day, you do get benefit from swimming the distance or longer in training. I also don't think it's comparable to training to run a marathon since running takes much more of a toll on your body and requires significantly more recovery.
2008-10-02 2:48 PM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question
Well since you don't have anything logged in your training logs... I can't really comment on what you are doing now.... but I think that shorter stuff is OK IF you are doing 2 or 3 days a week of swimming. Since you are a slow swimmer, I would say closer to 3 days a week with 2500-3000 yards each time.

I never swam the full distance in training, but then again I'm a strong swimmer with a background in competitive swimming.
2008-10-02 3:37 PM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question
My IM is in one week. I average 9k to 13k every week in the pool since June 1. Just today and last Friday I did 4400 yards straight. Those two times were the first times I have done a straight swim of that distance.

Despite all the swimming I did this year, a straight long swim definitely has a different feel to it than just intervals.

IMHO, you don't need to do a bunch of straight swims. But a couple just before you go into your final week would be a good thing.

Edited by jonathan22 2008-10-02 3:37 PM


2008-10-02 5:34 PM
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Subject: RE: IM Swim Training Question
JeepFleeb - 2008-10-01 10:08 PM

Not important at all.

X2 - You'll do fine in the IM swim with what you're doing. Keep it up!

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