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2008-10-31 3:25 PM

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Subject: 'Zack & Miri' banned in Utah, but 'Saw V' is OK

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/zackandmiri_blog.html

I saw this on yahoo and all I could do is shake my head. First I have to say that I respect the theater owners rights to show whatever he/she wants in their movie theater, but In My Humble Opinion, it just shows me that their priorities are a bit off.

Quickly comparing the two movies (both Rated R).

'Zack and Miri make a Porno' is a light hearted comedy about a couple having to make a movie to pay the rent w/ some nudity and sexual language (and it has the word 'porno' in the title, EGAD!!!)

'Saw V' uses violence, torture, blood and gore as part of a 'game'.

What kind of message does this send to our kids? Is it any wonder that our society is so desensitized to violence when a bloody, death and torture filled movie is considered better entertainment and acceptable to watch over a comedy? I mean really, if your under 17 yo child was to sneak into a movie, which one would you choose/hope that they see? One that says that its OK to kill people for sport, or one that jokes about making a porno to pay the rent?

Maybe Im just a fuddy duddy, but IMHO, a comedy w/ sexual overtones can do less damage to our society than a movie that features a mass murderer as the star.



Edited by ratherbesnowboarding 2008-10-31 3:27 PM


2008-10-31 3:27 PM
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2008-10-31 3:28 PM
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I would think it may be just putting the name on the billboard or whatever they call that thing at the movie theaters.

My son saw a commercial for it, amazingly on at 6:00, and asked me what a porno was (he is 8).

That was a fun conversation.

I think that is probably the main issue.
2008-10-31 3:29 PM
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It's a comedy about making a porno film.....

Never mind the fact that children shouldn't be taken to either film since they are both rated R.

2008-10-31 3:30 PM
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2008-10-31 3:31 PM
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if it wasn't for the skiing Utah would have been voted off the island a long time ago..


2008-10-31 3:42 PM
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I agree that it is a bit ridiculous. The ads I see on tv refer to the movie as just "Zack and Miri". Anyways, wasn't there a movie similar in flavor recently about some high school kids that were making a sex ed video using porn stars?

ratherbesnowboarding - 2008-10-31 2:25 PM
What kind of message does this send to our kids?


hopefully, it sends no message. both are rated R. I guess I'm quite naive to hope that young kids aren't going to either of these.
2008-10-31 3:43 PM
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Scout7 - 2008-10-31 4:29 PM

It's a comedy about making a porno film.....

 

So what?  Its still a comedy, not a porno.  I could see banning 'Caligula' or '9 1/2 weeks'  but a comedy, even one about making a porno, can never be as bad as an ultra violent movie.  Did the theater ban 'The Full Monty' where the whole premise was a bunch of guys were going to get naked on stage?  ('Dad whats a Full Monty?')  Or American pie when he 'gets his thing on' w/ a pie?  Whats the difference between these two?  It appears to be just because of a word in the title.

And Im not saying kids should see either, thats why we have a rating system.  But Im asking what message are we sending when violence is acceptable, and a sexual comedy is not.

2008-10-31 3:44 PM
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djluscher - 2008-10-31 4:42 PM I agree that it is a bit ridiculous. The ads I see on tv refer to the movie as just "Zack and Miri". Anyways, wasn't there a movie similar in flavor recently about some high school kids that were making a sex ed video using porn stars?
ratherbesnowboarding - 2008-10-31 2:25 PM What kind of message does this send to our kids?
hopefully, it sends no message. both are rated R. I guess I'm quite naive to hope that young kids aren't going to either of these.

"The Girl Next Door" - good call 

2008-10-31 3:47 PM
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djluscher - 2008-10-31 4:42 PM I agree that it is a bit ridiculous. The ads I see on tv refer to the movie as just "Zack and Miri". Anyways, wasn't there a movie similar in flavor recently about some high school kids that were making a sex ed video using porn stars?
ratherbesnowboarding - 2008-10-31 2:25 PM What kind of message does this send to our kids?
hopefully, it sends no message. both are rated R. I guess I'm quite naive to hope that young kids aren't going to either of these.

"The Girl Next Door" - good callĀ 



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2008-10-31 3:50 PM
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It's a comedy about making a porno film.....

 

So what?  Its still a comedy, not a porno.  I could see banning 'Caligula' or '9 1/2 weeks'  but a comedy, even one about making a porno, can never be as bad as an ultra violent movie.  Did the theater ban 'The Full Monty' where the whole premise was a bunch of guys were going to get naked on stage?  ('Dad whats a Full Monty?')  Or American pie when he 'gets his thing on' w/ a pie?  Whats the difference between these two?  It appears to be just because of a word in the title.

And Im not saying kids should see either, thats why we have a rating system.  But Im asking what message are we sending when violence is acceptable, and a sexual comedy is not.

It is your opinion that a comedy can never be as bad as an ultra-violent film, not a fact.

One film will not desensitize anyone.  It takes a whole lot more mental conditioning than that.

I don't think anyone is sending a message here, other than some people don't want to show a movie.



2008-10-31 3:55 PM
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I saw this too and just shook my head.  I mean seriously our economy is in the crapper, we have soldiers dying oversees and these people are worried about a comedy about people making and adult film.

Lighten up people.  If you don't want to go see it don't go see it, but let everyone else make up their own mind.  I do think that they need to be careful how they advertise though.

2008-10-31 4:00 PM
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Yet any movie starring (?) Madonna or Keanu Reeves is okay?  These cause more deaths via suicide than anything else.
2008-10-31 4:16 PM
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Subject: RE: 'Zack & Miri' banned in Utah, but 'Saw V' is OK
Scout7 - 2008-10-31 4:50 PM
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Scout7 - 2008-10-31 4:29 PM

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It is your opinion that a comedy can never be as bad as an ultra-violent film, not a fact.


Yes, it is my opinion that a comedy will never be as bad as an ultra violent film. I guess it just makes sense, I mean, no one has ever watched 'CaddyShack' before they went on a killing spree. (unlike 'The Matrix' and Columbine)

And its not just 'my' opinion' either. 

http://www.lionlamb.org/More_Than_Just_Childs_Play.htm 

 

 

Canada has allowed partial nudity for years on prime time TV, but limits the amount of violence it shows, same w/ the UK. And their violent crime rate is much lower than ours. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

 

 

 

 



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ratherbesnowboarding - 2008-10-31 4:16 PM
  • .....
  • Yes, it is my opinion that a comedy will never be as bad as an ultra violent film. I guess it just makes sense, I mean, no one has ever watched 'CaddyShack' before they went on a killing spree. (unlike 'The Matrix' and Columbine)



    Oh yeah? Tell that to the gopher population that has been decimated by demented groundskeepers using plastic explosives shaped like squirrels while the 1812 Overture plays in the background.




    2008-10-31 5:04 PM
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    That is a very misleading headline.  As a "Crazy Mormon" in Utah, I can tell you that the movie is not "Banned in Utah"... it's one fellow-crazy-Mormon's theater chain that is refusing to carry it.  There are plenty of other theaters here in Utah where you will be able to go see it.  Larry H Miller has 4 or 5 theater houses in the greater Salt Lake Area... maybe accounting for 20% of the screens in the area.

    So, come on to Utah, you can still watch your porno movie.



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    Subject: RE: 'Zack & Miri' banned in Utah, but 'Saw V' is OK
    ratherbesnowboarding - 2008-10-31 3:25 PM

    http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/zackandmiri_blog.html

    I saw this on yahoo and all I could do is shake my head. First I have to say that I respect the theater owners rights to show whatever he/she wants in their movie theater, but In My Humble Opinion, it just shows me that their priorities are a bit off.

    Quickly comparing the two movies (both Rated R).

    'Zack and Miri make a Porno' is a light hearted comedy about a couple having to make a movie to pay the rent w/ some nudity and sexual language (and it has the word 'porno' in the title, EGAD!!!)

    'Saw V' uses violence, torture, blood and gore as part of a 'game'.

    What kind of message does this send to our kids? Is it any wonder that our society is so desensitized to violence when a bloody, death and torture filled movie is considered better entertainment and acceptable to watch over a comedy? I mean really, if your under 17 yo child was to sneak into a movie, which one would you choose/hope that they see? One that says that its OK to kill people for sport, or one that jokes about making a porno to pay the rent?

    Maybe Im just a fuddy duddy, but IMHO, a comedy w/ sexual overtones can do less damage to our society than a movie that features a mass murderer as the star.




    Actually, I think the movie should be banned nationwide. But just because it's a Kevin Smith movie-- the guy is an incredibly overrated hack.

    I know I'm in the minority here, but I thought "Clerks" was cra*, "Mallrats" worse and that one about religion was an absolute blight upon humanity.

    Elizabeth Banks is pretty tasty, though.



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    Scout7 - 2008-10-31 4:29 PM

    Never mind the fact that children shouldn't be taken to either film since they are both rated R.

    Ding, ding, ding....winner.

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    FishrCutB8 - 2008-11-01 10:16 AM
    Scout7 - 2008-10-31 4:29 PM

    Never mind the fact that children shouldn't be taken to either film since they are both rated R.

    Ding, ding, ding....winner.

    ERRRRRR, no.  That statement is off topic and missing the point of this thread. 

    The point is NOT whether kids should see these movies.  They're both rated R.  I never said, implied or advocated that kids should see either movie or be allowed too.  I did say 'which would you rather have them sneak into', which is different, allow does not equal sneak.  I am implying however that underage kids do sneak into rated R movies from time to time, and someone under the age of 17 will probably find a way to see both.  And to be clear, Im also not saying that either movie should not be shown, should not be made or that either s/b censored in any way.  Thats what the rating system is for. 

    My point was that I disagree w/ the movie owner on his choice to not show a comedy about sex, but will show a movie that glorifies torture and mass murder (Did you even read my original post?)  To reiterate and be clear, The basic tenants of this topic is that the movie theater owner believes that the following equation is true when it comes to the core of movies plot that he will show and the message (whether conscious or not) that he is sending to the general populists is, in my HUMBLE opinion (I spelled out 'humble' in the first post to)

    Murder = good 

    Sex = Bad 

    Am I the only one that finds a fundamental flaw in that way of thinking?  Again to be clear, and from my original post.  I respect the theater owners right to not show any movie he chooses.  But I am allowed to disagree with his decision, point out why I disagree with his choice, and my logic behind my opinion, and then choose not to support his business - thats really I can do, and maybe help a person in Utah have a reason to choose a different movie theater to patronize, even if it is less convenient.  FWIW and a little of topic, but I havent been to an Exxon is 21 years as part of my 'consumer protest' over the Valdez incident.  Choosing not to patronize a business and spend our money in their establishments is the only power we have as consumers in a free market society.

    In no way do I believe that this man s/b forced to show anything he doesnt want to in his business.  Its his business and he can run it any way he chooses. 

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    ratherbesnowboarding - 2008-11-01 11:59 AM

    ERRRRRR, no. That statement is off topic and missing the point of this thread.

     

    actually... you specifically asked "what message does this send to our kids?"

    I think that's all that was being noted... it shouldn't be sending any message to any kids... 

     

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    Here's another odd censure type thing that occurs in SLC.  The local NBC affiliate, KSL, will not show Saturday Night Live due to offensive material being presented.  But, they would show "Will and Grace" when it was on the air.



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    akustix - 2008-11-02 8:26 PM
    ratherbesnowboarding - 2008-11-01 11:59 AM

    ERRRRRR, no. That statement is off topic and missing the point of this thread.

     

    actually... you specifically asked "what message does this send to our kids?"

    I think that's all that was being noted... it shouldn't be sending any message to any kids... 

     

     

    Precisely.

     

     

     

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