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The REAL BCS doomsday possibility...........................


Just finished reading a Rivals.com piece that mentioned something I had not paid attention to until now...

To make it as brief as possible:

The computers are "gator haters" (highest ranking of 3rd then a couple of 6th's and a 7th)as the article pointed out with rankings well below UT.
It was posed in the piece that if UF barely beats Bama, that undoubtedly the human voters move UF up but maybe not to #1 as OU is very strong in the polls. However, the computers could conceiveably continue to like UT over UF, thus setting up a UT/OU rematch and leave UF in the cold....
(hey, not my thinking...I'm just reporting )

I can hear the Sunshine state already!!!!


2008-12-02 2:50 PM
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If the human pollsters only move Florida up slightly after beating the consensus #1 team, then they're idiots.

And I have absolutely no love for FU or Bama either.  I'm just realistic about it.

2008-12-02 3:08 PM
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We can "what if" until the cows come home, or just play the games and let the system sort it out.

My theory is that all this "what if" discussion is what keeps us from having a real playoff. as long as so much time, energy and interest is devoted to the discussion, there's no incentive to change things.

And I'm only half kidding.

2008-12-02 3:24 PM
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The Geezer Plan

One of the problems in ranking teams is the lack of interconference games in the regular season.  I have an idea for an intermediate step toward a playoff system.  My idea is a national interconference day.  In my plan, every school in Div 1-A would have a single date with an unscheduled opponent near the end of the season (next to last week seems good).  On this date, a selection committee would pick near equal interconference  matchups for every team.   The results for all games go into the computer rankings (and human ranking) to select the top ranking teams for the BCS bowl games.  This idea preserves the traditional bowl games and length of the football schedule and adds one very interesting day of football to the schedule.  The only thing lost is the cannon fodder games early in the season  that teams would otherwise play against directional schools.   I think it is all good. 

 

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The other part of the idea is that the Big 10 becomes a Division 2 conference.



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2008-12-02 3:34 PM
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the bear - 2008-12-02 3:08 PM

We can "what if" until the cows come home, or just play the games and let the system sort it out.

My theory is that all this "what if" discussion is what keeps us from having a real playoff. as long as so much time, energy and interest is devoted to the discussion, there's no incentive to change things.

I agree totally (and this coming from a Hog fan who will accept the unearned gift from the Tigers)

 

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tech_geezer - 2008-12-02 3:24 PM

The Geezer Plan

One of the problems in ranking teams is the lack of interconference games in the regular season.  I have an idea for an intermediate step toward a playoff system.  My idea is a national interconference day.  In my plan, every school in Div 1-A would have a single date with an unscheduled opponent near the end of the season (next to last week seems good).  On this date, a selection committee would pick near equal interconference  matchups for every team.   The results for all games go into the computer rankings (and human ranking) to select the top ranking teams for the BCS bowl games.  This idea preserves the traditional bowl games and length of the football schedule and adds one very interesting day of football to the schedule.  The only thing lost is the cannon fodder games early in the season  that teams would otherwise play against directional schools.   I think it is all good. 

 

TW 

 

The other part of the idea is that the Big 10 becomes a Division 2 conference.

The logistics of transporting the entire football operation of half of all major colleges to a random location on a week's notice renders this undoable.



2008-12-02 3:47 PM
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You know ahead of time that you are either a home team or an away team.  So you either have a plane chartered or have the stadium ready.  No problem.  Why are old bankers so slow?

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the bear - 2008-12-02 4:42 PM

The logistics of transporting the entire football operation of half of all major colleges to a random location on a week's notice renders this undoable.

Not to mention that the fans would not know where their team would be playing (or if they would be playing) from week to week.  Trying to buy tickets andget travel arrangements in less than a week would be impossible.

...and for the record I hate the polls..

(and it's UF... not FU <phhht>

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Rad-Onc PA - 2008-12-02 3:14 PM It was posed in the piece that if UF barely beats Bama...

I think I read that one of the computer polls (Harris?) ignores margin of victory. 

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Same ticket arrangements as conference games.  Normal season ticket packages for the home teams.   Visiting team gets about 1000 tickets to sell or distribute to big donors just like now.   Not a problem of lots of fans traveling on short notice like bowl games.   The matchups could be selected in the 9 week for the game on the 11th week of the season giving everybody two weeks to get ready and scout.  You guys have no imagination.

 

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2008-12-02 4:58 PM
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Lets go Chase Daniels and Mizzou Tigers.


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Well since my school / team had a doomsday-like season ( Geaux Tigers ) I have to pull for the S.E.C and if a UT vs. OU BCS champs game....I think that would be a surefire sign we need to throw the whole BCS system ou, even more than we need to now....my 2 cents that the voters wouldn't let this happen
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run4yrlif - 2008-12-02 3:59 PM

Rad-Onc PA - 2008-12-02 3:14 PM It was posed in the piece that if UF barely beats Bama...

I think I read that one of the computer polls (Harris?) ignores margin of victory. 

Margin of victory is such a bad way to decide things in college sports - it will (has in the past) really hurt the idea of sportsmanship.  I loved that my Horns put the hurt on A&M on Thanksgiving - they won by 40 with the 2nd team offense scoring the last touchdown.  Do we really need to beat them by 60, or 70, to improve our rankings, either in the polls or by the computer?  That's the weakest part of the OU intead of Texas argument, in my opinion, that OU beat Tech by 40 and OSU by 20 and beat all these teams by XX pts.  I think Colt McCoy has only seen the 4th quarter about 4 times all year....

As for FL beating Bama and there being a UT/OU rematch for the national title, I think it's unlikely.  As a Horns fan, I'm not going to complain about a scenario that gives us our shot, but I'd much prefer for Mizzou to play up to pre-season expectations and find a way to beat OU.  Even then, honestly, I'm not wild about having a team that's not your conference champion play for the national title, but that's just me.

Now, if the uproar from a UT/OU rematch is enough to actually force a playoff system of some kind (yeah, right....), then I'd be even more ok with it.

I think I've finally started switching gears from "Man...wtf?!?!?" to "Ok, play well, win the bowl game, and come out hot next year." 

Hook 'em!

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run4yrlif - 2008-12-02 4:59 PM

Rad-Onc PA - 2008-12-02 3:14 PM It was posed in the piece that if UF barely beats Bama...

I think I read that one of the computer polls (Harris?) ignores margin of victory. 



That is true, but the margin of victory, if big could put UF #1 above OU in the human polls and that would eliminate the chance of UT remaining above UF as the human polls count more than the computers....for UT vs OU to play out, UF has to stay behind OU in the human polls also.

I realize it's very, very, very, unlikely, but dang, it sure is fun to speculate. For me, any doomsday scenario to blow up the BCS that comes to fruition is wonderful. Sorry to UF if they were to beat #1 in the SEC title game and end up 3rd but the end result of that could speed up the playoff process....I love the bowl games.... and there is a way they can all remain in place and still have a true nat'l champ....it needs to happen.
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ColdRingo6 - 2008-12-02 8:55 PM

Margin of victory is such a bad way to decide things in college sports - it will (has in the past) really hurt the idea of sportsmanship. 

So team A beats team B by 3 points.  Team A beats team C by 60 points.  From that alone who is the better team B or C.  All other things being equal it's B.

I've always said... if you don't want me "running up" (I hate that term) the score then stop me.  It has nothing to do with sportsmanship.  The point of the game is to score as many points as possible.  Should be be sure to give the loosing team trophies too so they don't feel bad?

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TriRSquared - 2008-12-03 11:47 AM
  • .. if you don't want me "running up" (I hate that term) the score then stop me.  It has nothing to do with sportsmanship.  The point of the game is to score as many points as possible. 


  • Yea, not so much. Taking out starters gives younger guys playing experience which helps your team in future years. It also reduces the wear/tear on your main guys who get severely beat up during the season.

    For pro player factories like OU and UT, it's the responsible thing to do so that your players can have longer NFL careers and good post-football lives.

    Take it from someone with $20k worth of titanium in his spine among so many other old injuries I lose track, you pay for every second you're on that field for the rest of your life.

    Running up scores to get better ratings is short sighted and wrong in lots of ways.


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    TriRSquared - 2008-12-03 11:47 AM ... if you don't want me "running up" (I hate that term) the score then stop me.  It has nothing to do with sportsmanship.  The point of the game is to score as many points as possible. 
    Yea, not so much. Taking out starters gives younger guys playing experience which helps your team in future years. It also reduces the wear/tear on your main guys who get severely beat up during the season. For pro player factories like OU and UT, it's the responsible thing to do so that your players can have longer NFL careers and good post-football lives. Take it from someone with $20k worth of titanium in his spine among so many other old injuries I lose track, you pay for every second you're on that field for the rest of your life. Running up scores to get better ratings is short sighted and wrong in lots of ways.

    That's a huge leap of an assumption, that running up the scores is the result of leaving your starters in. Often time these powerhouses can do this with second and third strings by continuing aggressive play calling, rather than opting to run out the clock.

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    TriRSquared - 2008-12-03 12:47 PM
    ColdRingo6 - 2008-12-02 8:55 PM

    Margin of victory is such a bad way to decide things in college sports - it will (has in the past) really hurt the idea of sportsmanship. 

    So team A beats team B by 3 points.  Team A beats team C by 60 points.  From that alone who is the better team B or C.  All other things being equal it's B.

    I've always said... if you don't want me "running up" (I hate that term) the score then stop me.  It has nothing to do with sportsmanship.  The point of the game is to score as many points as possible.  Should be be sure to give the loosing team trophies too so they don't feel bad?

    What if C beats B?

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    TriRSquared - 2008-12-03 12:47 PM
    ColdRingo6 - 2008-12-02 8:55 PM

    Margin of victory is such a bad way to decide things in college sports - it will (has in the past) really hurt the idea of sportsmanship. 

    So team A beats team B by 3 points.  Team A beats team C by 60 points.  From that alone who is the better team B or C.  All other things being equal it's B.

    I've always said... if you don't want me "running up" (I hate that term) the score then stop me.  It has nothing to do with sportsmanship.  The point of the game is to score as many points as possible.  Should be be sure to give the loosing team trophies too so they don't feel bad?

    What if C beats B?



    Then B is ranked higher than C......

    Where the team labeled "B" is Texas, and the team labeled "C" is Texas Tech....
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    the bear - 2008-12-03 2:31 PM

    That's a huge leap of an assumption, that running up the scores is the result of leaving your starters in. Often time these powerhouses can do this with second and third strings by continuing aggressive play calling, rather than opting to run out the clock.

    Exactly.  Florida put in their second string against FSU last week and STILL scored again.

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    the bear - 2008-12-03 12:31 PM

    That's a huge leap of an assumption, that running up the scores is the result of leaving your starters in. Often time these powerhouses can do this with second and third strings by continuing aggressive play calling, rather than opting to run out the clock.



    IMO, you're not "running up the score" if you're playing reserves so it's not an assumption at all. IMO, there's nothing wrong with letting reserves run their offense even if they're scoring.


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    BellinghamSpence - 2008-12-02 4:58 PM

    Lets go Chase Daniels and Mizzou Tigers.


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