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2009-01-03 5:40 PM in reply to: #1883572 |
Extreme Veteran 495 Stamford, CT | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? currently from a push - about :59. Best 100 time ever - :53. Favorite ( kicking) 100 yard based test sets: 20x100 on 2:00 holding 1:00-1:02 for each 100 and 5x100 on 1:05 |
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2009-01-03 6:09 PM in reply to: #1884521 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? PennState - 2009-01-03 5:40 PM Courage - 2009-01-03 6:29 PM LB22 - 2009-01-03 4:59 PM Obviously form plays a large roll in speed at the 100. But how much does upper body strength come into play? I am pretty back of the back----50 mins for a 1 mile swim---and took lessons to improve form, comfort, etc. But I wonder if I build up the core, back, and arm strength if I would see significant improvement. Thoughts? Strengthening your core and arms will certainly help but concentrating on pulling from your Lats is key. Your shoulders will fatigue quicker than your back will and you'll be more powerful... IMHO....... Eric J Eric I agree with you, but there is another school of thought... in that you get your power from your hips/core. Neither school is 'Right', just a different way to think about it We could get into a serious hijack here, but both are right in my mind. The upper body has about 80% to do with moving you forward. In the distances that we are swimming, the kick should only be for balance, position and leverage (core). If your upper body (lats, delts) isn't developed, you will not reach your potential. The "core" aspect comes from the twisting and the leveraging of each stroke as you move from one side to the other (in your minds eye you shouldn't swim on your stomach, rather from one side of your body to the other). The power generated from switching from side to side is the core power. Put the pull together with the twist (core) and you have freestyle. The only hang up (IMO) with thinking just core is that your body is not anchored in water. When you think of other "core" powered movements, swinging a baseball bat and golf club, your feet are firmly anchored allowing you to generate from the core. In swimming, if you jump in the water, get streamlined and try and twist at your core, you will find it's impossible. Reason is your weightless and nothing is anchored. That's where the kick comes in. A good kick acts as an anchor for the core to twist more that it does propulsion in and of itself. Blah Blah Blah. I'll shut up. Anyway, that's why its good to have a good pull and kick. tj |
2009-01-03 6:18 PM in reply to: #1883572 |
Member 28 Evans, GA | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? I'm a 55-60 age grouper. I've learned how to be the fastest swimmer in the pool. It's easy. I swim at the local YMCA early in the PM after the lunch crowd. Since I set my own work schecule -- it's good to be the boss -- when I hit the pool the only swimmers are really old (bit your toung) or really hurt. So if you want to swim fast be the only guy in speedo jammers with a swim cap and goggles. In relative terms I'm rippen every 100 and the talk of the pool. Bottom line, in this group the first swimmer to complete 100 yds nonstop wins.
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2009-01-03 6:19 PM in reply to: #1883707 |
Bob 2194 Binghamton, NY | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? running2far - 2009-01-02 11:32 PM Sub10IM - 2009-01-02 10:26 PM Not trying to be an a##, but I gotta call BS on that. Didn't you swim over 1:10 at IM Moo? FWIW, I've never swam OVER an hour in an IM swim and have never been UNDER 1min for 100yds even in my top form. Virtually every guy in our pool going <1min for a 100y are 53min or better IM swimmers. yeah I swam a 1:13 with a bad swim which included a break in the middle. I went 54 high off the blocks in high school as my pr. i'm much faster in the pool and that BLOWS for competitive swimming. Taking all out times here - not sets. going 0:53:x at IM is about a 1:15 average pace for 2.4 miles...those guys should be well under a min all out. They should be hitting the wall at a min for SETS for hundreds. running2far - 2009-01-02 10:03 PM Right now 58/59 seconds off a push....in season 55 secs all out. Whoa!!!!! I have to defend Hayes here. If the man says he can go a :55 100 free why doubt him because of an IM time? The two are not related in the least. I've known guys that could go a sub :22 50 free, a :46 100 free but could barely break 2:00 for a 200 free and could never even make an IM swim. Hayes is right, a :55 in competitive swimming is just an average time (even in Masters 50+ AG's). FWIW - I'm doing 1:06's on my 100's, probably could not break 1:00 right now but could still probably go 53:00 for an IM swim. I'm glad I'm not a competitive swimmer anymore! |
2009-01-03 6:20 PM in reply to: #1884519 |
Bob 2194 Binghamton, NY | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? jellyfish - 2009-01-03 6:40 PM currently from a push - about :59. Best 100 time ever - :53. Favorite ( kicking) 100 yard based test sets: 20x100 on 2:00 holding 1:00-1:02 for each 100 and 5x100 on 1:05 She's not human!!! |
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2009-01-03 6:27 PM in reply to: #1884134 |
Bob 2194 Binghamton, NY | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? breckview - 2009-01-03 12:12 PM PennState - 2009-01-03 9:46 AM ...without knowing their whole story I guarantee that some of those 4.3, 40y dash football players couldn't run a 6:30 mile while some 4:30 milers couldn't break 5.0 in the 40y. Everybody's different.It's those darn fast twitch fibers. I don't have one in my entire body!! In fact I've been told that I'm one big giant slow twitch muscle fiber. That's why the longer the distance the better for me! |
2009-01-03 6:27 PM in reply to: #1883572 |
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2009-01-03 6:42 PM in reply to: #1883572 |
Master 2301 Rogersville, Alabama | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? All out pace is around 1:09 (25 yard pool) Ironman pace(comfortable) is around 1:35 +/- :05 |
2009-01-03 6:51 PM in reply to: #1883572 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? Bottom line: what you can swim in a pool has very little to do with what your IM or Half pace is. I've never broken 1:10 for 100 yards and I swim 1 flat for IM or 29:00 flat for IM or Half. I average 1:23/100 yards in workouts in the pool. |
2009-01-03 6:57 PM in reply to: #1883572 |
Master 1420 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? 46 was my best in college - now I am not sure I could break :50. I generally average between 1:10 - 1:17 per 100 in my tri's. |
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2009-01-03 7:22 PM in reply to: #1884597 |
Bob 2194 Binghamton, NY | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? docswim24 - 2009-01-03 7:57 PM 46 was my best in college - now I am not sure I could break :50. I generally average between 1:10 - 1:17 per 100 in my tri's. Can you hear the violins playing? There's a lot of sympathy out there for you! I'm sure you're feeling it.
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2009-01-03 9:45 PM in reply to: #1884591 |
Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? bryancd - 2009-01-03 4:51 PM Bottom line: what you can swim in a pool has very little to do with what your IM or Half pace is. I've never broken 1:10 for 100 yards and I swim 1 flat for IM or 29:00 flat for IM or Half. I average 1:23/100 yards in workouts in the pool. I just like being able to beat Bryan in something. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. |
2009-01-03 10:22 PM in reply to: #1884591 |
Master 1404 Saratoga Springs, Utah | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? bryancd - 2009-01-03 5:51 PM Bottom line: what you can swim in a pool has very little to do with what your IM or Half pace is. I've never broken 1:10 for 100 yards and I swim 1 flat for IM or 29:00 flat for IM or Half. I average 1:23/100 yards in workouts in the pool. Not to get into a debate and hijack the thread but, I would say this is a better argument for the speed advantages of wetsuits, drafting and proper sighting in triathlons, not to mention that every venue is different. I agree that making a comparsion for 100 yard speed in a pool to what someone can swim a half or full IM in is not going to work. But I do think that a 1000 yard time, or better yet longer, in a pool is going to give you a good idea. |
2009-01-04 1:57 AM in reply to: #1883572 |
Master 1325 Lake Oswego, OR | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? As a swimmer I always find it strange that so many people are interested in how fast everyone swims 100 yds, but no one asks how fast someyone can run one mile all out. I have a distance freestyle background, and I never projected success at a meet based on how fast I could swim 100 yards. The better test is how fast can you swim 15x100m or 16x100yds on 5-10 seconds rest. However, ultimately even those are largely irrelevant in an Oly, HIM or IM tri. How fast can you swim a 5K or 10 K might be a better test. That will be closer to the pace you'll swim in a longer tri. |
2009-01-04 12:42 PM in reply to: #1883572 |
Master 1325 Lake Oswego, OR | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? Actually I have been considering a thread asking people how fast they can run a quarter mile. :-) I know my time would be pathetically slow. |
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2009-01-04 12:53 PM in reply to: #1884781 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? ChrisM - 2009-01-03 9:45 PM bryancd - 2009-01-03 4:51 PM Bottom line: what you can swim in a pool has very little to do with what your IM or Half pace is. I've never broken 1:10 for 100 yards and I swim 1 flat for IM or 29:00 flat for IM or Half. I average 1:23/100 yards in workouts in the pool. I just like being able to beat Bryan in something. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. I think you could probably also actually beat me up, so add that to the list, you're a big guy... |
2009-01-04 1:45 PM in reply to: #1884519 |
Expert 1706 NoVA | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? jellyfish - 2009-01-03 6:40 PMFavorite ( kicking) 100 yard based test sets: 20x100 on 2:00 holding 1:00-1:02 for each 100 and 5x100 on 1:05 I have to agree that I WAS a huge fan of 5x100 on 1:05 waaayyy back in the day!!! That was one of those sets I hated BUT loved to do at the same time---I knew it was going to kick my a@@ (especially since that would be the last set of a practise) but that it was quick, fun and challenging to just hammer!! |
2009-01-04 1:49 PM in reply to: #1883572 |
Expert 1706 NoVA | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? E=H2O absolutely sums up my feelings with those last two posts---even a sprint tri is going to be around 750m so what your 100y/m time is really doesn't matter unless you are talking split/pace times...... And maybe that's why I don't know what my 1/4mile time is (or because I'd be too embarrassed to even look in the mirror!!) yeah rstocks3---I understand that "one big giant slow twitch muscle fiber." |
2009-01-04 1:55 PM in reply to: #1884521 |
Expert 618 | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? PennState - 2009-01-03 5:40 PM Courage - 2009-01-03 6:29 PM LB22 - 2009-01-03 4:59 PM Obviously form plays a large roll in speed at the 100. But how much does upper body strength come into play? I am pretty back of the back----50 mins for a 1 mile swim---and took lessons to improve form, comfort, etc. But I wonder if I build up the core, back, and arm strength if I would see significant improvement. Thoughts? Strengthening your core and arms will certainly help but concentrating on pulling from your Lats is key. Your shoulders will fatigue quicker than your back will and you'll be more powerful... IMHO....... Eric J Eric I agree with you, but there is another school of thought... in that you get your power from your hips/core. Neither school is 'Right', just a different way to think about it Agreed... I work so much core for bike racing I often take it for granted... lol. Eric J |
2009-01-04 2:10 PM in reply to: #1885348 |
Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? bryancd - 2009-01-04 10:53 AM ChrisM - 2009-01-03 9:45 PM I think you could probably also actually beat me up, so add that to the list, you're a big guy... bryancd - 2009-01-03 4:51 PM Bottom line: what you can swim in a pool has very little to do with what your IM or Half pace is. I've never broken 1:10 for 100 yards and I swim 1 flat for IM or 29:00 flat for IM or Half. I average 1:23/100 yards in workouts in the pool. I just like being able to beat Bryan in something. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Alas, I am a lover not a fighter |
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2009-01-04 3:40 PM in reply to: #1883572 |
Master 1887 Loveland, Ohio | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? I'm the OP. I actually didn't mean how fast per 100 for just 100. I meant how it averages out per 100 over the course of several 100s put together. We are endurance athletes afterall. I really should have been much more clear about that. I apologize for any confusion. |
2009-01-04 7:12 PM in reply to: #1885529 |
Master 1325 Lake Oswego, OR | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? lkagop - 2009-01-04 1:40 PM I'm the OP. I actually didn't mean how fast per 100 for just 100. I meant how it averages out per 100 over the course of several 100s put together. We are endurance athletes afterall. I really should have been much more clear about that. I apologize for any confusion.
OK in that case it was 1:01 per hundred for 1300 yards. Oh, I forgot to tell you it was down current on a river. ;-) |
2009-01-05 7:52 AM in reply to: #1883572 |
Veteran 277 Syracuse, NY | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? Back in college I was around 55s for 100 free (I swam breaststroke)... Nowadays I almost neglect my swim training and focus on getting bike & run up to par. OWS 100's are between 1:15 and 1:30 depending on conditions/day. Now I don't expect any sympathy, but please appreciate the guy you zoom by on the bike/run while wondering how the heck he got so far ahead of you! He's just a poor swimmer =) |
2009-01-05 8:00 AM in reply to: #1885815 |
Master 1887 Loveland, Ohio | Subject: RE: Minutes it takes you to swim 100 yards? E=H2O - 2009-01-04 8:12 PM lkagop - 2009-01-04 1:40 PM I'm the OP. I actually didn't mean how fast per 100 for just 100. I meant how it averages out per 100 over the course of several 100s put together. We are endurance athletes afterall. I really should have been much more clear about that. I apologize for any confusion. OK in that case it was 1:01 per hundred for 1300 yards. Oh, I forgot to tell you it was down current on a river. ;-) Yeah, yeah. |
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