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2009-01-26 8:32 PM
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I ran yesterday, it was a nice chilly 58 degrees outside....sorry just had to poke at some of you hardcore people out there in the 20's.


2009-01-26 8:35 PM
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F1longhorn - 2009-01-26 8:32 PM I ran yesterday, it was a nice chilly 58 degrees outside....sorry just had to poke at some of you hardcore people out there in the 20's.

Hardcore? Apparently it's easier to run when it's cold... and 20's is not that cold anyway.

2009-01-26 8:35 PM
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Yeah, but the cold made me run faster ..... by about 30 seconds per mile on the return leg of my run.
2009-01-26 8:41 PM
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sorry just had to poke at some of you hardcore people out there in the 20's.

 Uhh, hardcore in 20s?  Try Negative Temps right now!!!!!

2009-01-26 8:44 PM
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This almost makes me appreciate Texas winters (even though they're still too cold for me) - running in the twenties IS hardcore... anything lower than that is just plain crazy.
2009-01-26 8:46 PM
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pseudoyams - 2009-01-26 9:41 PM Uhh, hardcore in 20s?  Try Negative Temps right now!!!!!

Yeah, you guys in the northern part of the country near the lakes are insane ...... 20 is balmy compared to what you guys have to go through!

I definitely wouldn't put the 20's as hardcore at all.



2009-01-26 9:03 PM
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Daremo - 2009-01-26 8:46 PM
pseudoyams - 2009-01-26 9:41 PM Uhh, hardcore in 20s?  Try Negative Temps right now!!!!!

Yeah, you guys in the northern part of the country near the lakes are insane ...... 20 is balmy compared to what you guys have to go through!

I definitely wouldn't put the 20's as hardcore at all.

 

Foot in mouth Apparently we're spoiled down here. I don't think the temperature has even dipped below 35 this winter. So for me 20 would be quite low.

2009-01-26 9:12 PM
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Here is my take on cold weather.

Easier on cardio...harder on muscles and joints.  (I experience a fair amount of tightness & aches)

Here is my scale:

Below 25F - Treadmill

25-30 - Cold run, ok for an hour

31-40 Perfect base layer only weather

41-50 Perfect shorts with base layer top

51-60 Perfect shorts weather

61-70 Warm

71+ thinking about shorter runs only

2009-01-26 9:15 PM
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Ok, so Texans are hardcore in our own way...  I have definitely done a half-marathon in 95 degree weather without giving it much thought.  But if it was below 40...  I'd have been out.
2009-01-26 9:21 PM
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Daremo - 2009-01-26 4:08 PM

I don't (this year).  But I run all year round outside.  Most of my runs are in the teens and twenties for temps and I have run all the way up to 22 milers in the cold. 



This may be my one chance ever to call you a Pansie. Teens and twenties are warm ya Pansie. I was excited last week that it warmed up and I did a run at 21f.

Back to the off topic, topic. I find running in the cool weather to be much easier then warm. The teens and 20s are my favorite temps for running. Once it dips to single digits, it's not so much fun. What I find to be irksome is when snow builds up on the bottom of my shoes and makes my foot strike awkward. I always have to scuff the soles for a couple strides when I go from snow to pavement.
2009-01-26 9:22 PM
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Daremo - 2009-01-26 8:46 PM

pseudoyams - 2009-01-26 9:41 PM Uhh, hardcore in 20s?  Try Negative Temps right now!!!!!

Yeah, you guys in the northern part of the country near the lakes are insane ...... 20 is balmy compared to what you guys have to go through!

I definitely wouldn't put the 20's as hardcore at all.



Dammit! You called yourself out before I could call you a Pansie. I'm going to leave it anyway


2009-01-26 9:27 PM
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What I do think is nuts, was the guy I saw a few nights ago while I walked the dog. It was maybe 0f and he was running in shorts. That's just stupid. So hard on the knees.
2009-01-27 3:37 PM
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I love thick gu, is an incentive to run in the cold.  Basically, windproof, waterproof outer-shell for the win.  Cover those ears and fingers if it is really cold "frostbite is not your friend" 
2009-01-27 4:06 PM
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Clif Recovery Hot Chocolate - possibly the only thing that could make cold weather running worthwhile.
2009-01-28 8:24 PM
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Daremo - 2009-01-26 4:45 PM

Most people tend to run better in the cold. But as you mentioned, it is your perception.

I guess I only PERCEIVE that 12" of new Midwest snowfall slows me down

 Looks like I'll be on the indoor track for a while.

2009-01-28 9:05 PM
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I said "cold" ...... nothing about surface conditions.

Tongue out



2009-01-29 3:03 AM
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Those nice cold temps sound great. We are in a heat wave in sunny Bendigo at the moment averaging low forties (104 faren.) most days. If we are lucky it may get to low 20s over night.

This sure makes training during the day hard
2009-01-30 10:20 PM
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I was doing the happy dance at being able to run outside last week(and twice this week), 19 and windy...! Sun was out, sweat my butt off and loved it. Yeah my gatorade didn't even freeze this time! This sure beat the days and days of sub zero and the treadmill. (yes, I have my limits...)
2009-01-31 7:34 AM
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I run outside all year long, during winter over here it can gets as low as -35F, -40F. So far this winter the coldest I have run in was -22 but with windchill it was -35 or so.

I have the clothes to run outside and I must tell you I do find it easier than running in a 100F temp.

The main problem is hydratation, at that temp no way anything stays unfrozen for more then 45-60 minutes so on longer runs I can't drink or have to come back home in the middle of it or do a pit stop at a gas station or something to get hot water.

I see no difference between running outside or going for some cross country skiing or snow shoeing etc. I live in a country where winter is really cold and we have 4-5 months of it, better enjoy it.

I just can't stand the treadmill.

 

2009-02-04 12:22 PM
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jszat - 2009-01-26 4:05 PM
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markz - 2009-01-26 3:29 PM

And when it's really cold you most likely wouldn't run that long anyway.

Why?  There is no link between getting any sort of cold/flu from doing any outdoor activities in the cold.

Just curious as to what your rationalization for the statement could be?

Just a subjective perception of difficulty. It seem to me it is harder to run in very low temps. Again, I'm not a doctor, just observed higher energy loss on those runs, which seems logical. If you have a very strong base and are motivated to run for hours - why not.

I have noticed a few things for me that make it more difficult running in the cold- one, my cold cold weather gear (sub 5 degrees) weighs about 4.5-5 lbs excluding shoes.  So I am carrying a little more weight on me as I run.  No biggie as this will help with strength.  Second, I dont drink nearly as much as I need to during cold runs.  I keep my fuel belt under my coat to prevent the freeze ups.  Running loops helps a bit, but with all the pain of reaching up and under stuff, its tough to stay where hydration needs to be.  While clothing negates the cold and sees my sweat rates therefore similar to normal conditions, there seems to be less evaporation going on and more retention in the running gear of fluid that melts away normally.  So that generally means the 5 lbs of water on a 90 min run aint going anywhere but my clothes or freezing up.  Finally, when its really cold, it can feel like the bottoms of some shoes go stiff.  I have had that with Brooks it seems.  Maybe that one is psychological though.  Still, would rather be outside.  Bummed I am indoors with sore throat, but thats from rugrats with colds and not from being outdoors.  Just keep anythign you dont want to freeze up as close to your body and covered up as possible and it should be fine.

 As follow up to the disgusting theory of the cold weather gear/no evaporation conclusion (for my sweaty self, YRMV), findings from my AM today at -4.  I either sweat too much, or wear too much, or both!:

I had to bundle up for the -4 outside and weighed myself after the run in full gear- 188.5 vs the 182 nekkid me when I weighed in this AM vs the 178.5 nekkid me after the run. As I figured, the 3.5 lbs of stank has nowhere to go cept your clothes or icyville. Once the gear is lost in the spring and the stank is evaporating vs being dead weight, hoping to see some solid numbers at the end of my runs.

2009-02-04 12:30 PM
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I had a similar experience yesterday...

Funny thing, I run in summer  on the same trail along the lake and every time I go I see thousands of runners, even when it's hot. Right now I see one or two, sometimes none. Any conclusions?



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markz - 2009-02-04 12:30 PM

I had a similar experience yesterday...

Funny thing, I run in summer  on the same trail along the lake and every time I go I see thousands of runners, even when it's hot. Right now I see one or two, sometimes none. Any conclusions?

Bad dressers?  Really warm beds?
2009-02-04 12:38 PM
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jszat - 2009-02-04 12:32 PM
markz - 2009-02-04 12:30 PM

I had a similar experience yesterday...

Funny thing, I run in summer  on the same trail along the lake and every time I go I see thousands of runners, even when it's hot. Right now I see one or two, sometimes none. Any conclusions?

Bad dressers?  Really warm beds?

I guess...

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