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2009-03-26 6:04 PM

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Subject: Paint or Frame Crack

Well, today i got my bike back from the shop today from having a new chain and cassette and a once over done. I also was changing out my bottle cages to some red ones to kinda match my bike more.  ANYWAY, when i was chaning out the cages, on the bottom tude extending from the screw holes are tiny cracks in the paint that extend maybe like 1-2cm and then a couple longer ones that go up toward the stem that are like 3-4cm. I have been riding this bike for a year now and never noticed them before. Also, it is a fairly old frame, 2003 model litespeed orion.

I have my A race, NOLA 70.3 in 10 days. And i guess my question is.... could this just be harmless paint cracks or is any crack like that a frame crack. Granted i will probably have to get it checked out... but my problem is i don't have time to get a new frame if i had to. Most likely situation I will be racing on it and crossing my fingers.

-andrew



2009-03-26 6:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Paint or Frame Crack

Likely not gonna hear yea or nay based on a description.  I'd run it back by the shop and see what they say.

Assuming its a Ti bike.  They do crack, I had a Saber crack, but I think I rode on that for a long time.  I am not a metallurgist, but I believe Ti doesn't crack like carbon (i.e., massive failure).  Altho if it is cracked, riding and hoping for the best isn't the smartest thing to do.....

2009-03-26 6:17 PM
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I think you might be ok?  I would check w/ another local shop real quick, but definitely call and plant the seed with the shop that you just picked it up from.  Let them know that you may be paying them a visit tomorrow!? 
2009-03-26 6:22 PM
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My cycling background's educated guess tells me its just paint cracks. With 99% of frames a crack would originate at the weld, not mid-tube.

This is, of course, barring an impact or ham-fisting the water bottle screws (it would still be difficult to crack a frame with those small screws).

Post up a close-up pic or two. It will at least let us give you a little peace of mind.

Oh, best of luck in the race! That's my old stomping grounds.

Edited by bcart1991 2009-03-26 6:23 PM
2009-03-26 6:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Paint or Frame Crack

Here are pictures, they are the best i could do. I hope they are high enough resolution to see... it was 4mb original pictures and down to 1mb for the site i think.

http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll107/aplohris/Bike%20Crack/

2009-03-26 7:02 PM
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Subject: RE: Paint or Frame Crack
looks like paint to me.......  but don't take my word, others here know better


2009-03-26 7:07 PM
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I like the idea of checking with at least one LBS before going forward. With that being said, and do not hold me to it, these cracks seem to be in the clear coat on the paint. I would figure that if the frame was cracked, you would see rust in the spider web, not just around the screw holes. Again, check with a LBS to be sure, but you should at least sleep well tonight

also, if you want to be sure, you could sand the paint and see if the cracks go away. If it is only in the clear coat, they will go away. If I remember correctly, commercial airplanes are stripped of paint periodicaly to check for cracks. The worst that could happen is to confirm cracks that are not worth getting hurt with. At best, you need a new paint job



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2009-03-26 7:37 PM
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Yes, those definitely look like clearcoat cracks. If it were a material crack, it would be a single crack, not a series of cracks like you see.
2009-03-26 7:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Paint or Frame Crack
aplohris - 2009-03-26 7:04 PM

... Also, it is a fairly old frame, 2003 model litespeed orion.

Since when is a 6 year old bike an "old frame"? I upgraded my bike last year from a 1992; and we just got a new bike to replace mrs. gearboy's 1985!

2009-03-26 7:48 PM
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Subject: RE: Paint or Frame Crack
That's not a material crack, it's the paint. And there's no way no mater how much you torque the screws that you're going to crack the frame.
2009-03-26 7:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Paint or Frame Crack

Thanks ffor the input so far, would like to get as much as possible. I will run it by a shop this weekend to double check for sure.

Touche'  .... i guess from my perspective it is older.... considering i wasn't born in 1985.



2009-03-26 7:55 PM
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F1longhorn - 2009-03-26 6:48 PM That's not a material crack, it's the paint. And there's no way no mater how much you torque the screws that you're going to crack the frame.

x2 - Doesn't hurt to get a free check from the LBS for a little sanity...

2009-03-26 8:01 PM
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Those are strictly clear coat cracks.  Carefully use a sharp knife (razor would be best) and you will be able to flake a bit of the clear off and inspect the white to see if that is cracked also.  I'd bet no as it appears the clear has separated from the base coat.  If the base coat was also cracked, you would see lifting under the decal and the lines would not be smooth across the transition from base to decal.

If you are really worried about it, you can disassemble the bike and take it to a media blaster to remove the paint.  If it checks out, call up Litespeed for some new decals and put it all back together.

2009-03-26 8:40 PM
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bcart1991 - 2009-03-26 8:37 PM Yes, those definitely look like clearcoat cracks. If it were a material crack, it would be a single crack, not a series of cracks like you see.

i agree 100%, looks like the paint is failing, i have not seen metal crack in that close a proximity of each crack, maybe some moisture got underneath and is delaminating the paint from the frame.

Take it to the LBS anyway and get a piece of mind, but you have a decent chance of being ok.

Good luck in N'Orleans

 

2009-03-26 8:44 PM
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Rudedog55 - 2009-03-26 6:40 PM

bcart1991 - 2009-03-26 8:37 PM Yes, those definitely look like clearcoat cracks. If it were a material crack, it would be a single crack, not a series of cracks like you see.

i agree 100%, looks like the paint is failing, i have not seen metal crack in that close a proximity of each crack, maybe some moisture got underneath and is delaminating the paint from the frame.

Take it to the LBS anyway and get a piece of mind, but you have a decent chance of being ok.

Good luck in N'Orleans

 

I agree it looks 99% like paint cracks, the only question I have is there are a couple of discolored spots slightly away from the bottle holes. Get it checked for sure, but you're prolly all right.

John

2009-03-26 9:00 PM
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Also agree that it looks like cracks in the clear coat. It does leave the question of why, though. It's probably just poor adhesion to the basecoat which has failed over time. If it was the frame getting torqued or flexed enough to cause them, it would have almost certainly cracked the paint as well.


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