MLB 300 Win Pitchers

Next highest is Jamie Moyer at 250 (and he's in his 70's now I think), then Andy Pettitte at 220 and Kenny Rogers at 219.  Then Pedro at 214 and Smoltz at 210 and I don't see any of them getting to 300.

Seeing how rare it is just to have a 20 game winner anymore you could be right.  To get to 300 you have to be a great pitcher and stay on good teams.  I could see someone like Santana getting to 300, but the way players chase money these days there's no guarantee.

Should wins even be as big a factor any more?  The complete game is almost a thing of the past as well and how often does the bullpen blow a good outing?  Maybe the focus should be more on ERA and innings pitched? 

Edited by drewb8 2009-06-05 10:10 AM

I think we have seen the last of the 300 club. As was stated earlier with the injury prevention and the way players move around now it seems almost impossible if you do the math. You would have to win 15 games a year for 20 seasons. A starter normally makes around 30 starts a year if he stays healthy all year. I don't even think Santana will get 225 wins. I think Lincecum is awesome but I don't think any of these guys even want to pitch for 20 years anymore !!!!

I remember reading back in the mid-90's that we may never see another 300 win pitcher. They specifically said Maddux was a guy that was a premier pitcher, never got hurt, and wouldn't slow down much with age, yet would have to average over 15 wins a year until his late 30's. Clemens was said to be expected to slow down with age. Obviously, both made it, as well as Glavine and Johnson.

300 wins is very tough and 250 is not an automatic number in my opinion. Jamie Moyer is a very good pitcher, but not HoF worthy. I bet we see more 300 win pitchers eventually.

I was listening to the radio a few days ago (Mike & Mike in the Morning i think) and they were talking about 300 game winners. They were talking about the similar number of players who had reached certain milestones (300 wins(24)/500 hr(25)/3000 hits(27)).

I think there's a good chance we could see a 300 game winner in the next 10 years. Andy Pettitte is at 220 and only 37 yrs old he's averaged 15 wins over the last 5 seasons, so a possibility. Issue will be staying healthy and playing on teams that can score some runs (Santana might have a chance if the Mets could score when he pitches.)

It will be alot easier for 3000 hits or 500 hrs . There are probably a dozen guys who could get to each number over the next 3-5 years (A-rod, Jeeter, Manny, Vlad - 3000 , Delgado, Vlad and a host of others to 500).

(I'm a biased mariners fan) It depends. For him to get to 300 wins he would need to stick around for probably 4 more years and if he's pitching in MLB at the age of 50 how can you not put him in. He is definitely sliding down the scale this year so far though so it may be moot.

If he pitches until he is 50, 60 or 70, I wouldn't put him in, unless he suddenly runs off a string of 20 win seasons. He has won 20 games twice, and those were on excellent Seattle teams. He has never had an ERA under 3.27. He has been to one All Star game. I don't think he has ever been a serious Cy Young contender, much less won. He is a good pitcher, but I don't think he has been very good or even great enough to warrant the Hall of Fame, even if he sticks around long enough for 300 wins.

Ironically the pitchers are getting injured now more than ever.

I think they baby their arms too much.