changing 9 speed to 10 speed SHIMANO
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2009-07-07 9:57 PM |
Gilbert, Arizona | Subject: changing 9 speed to 10 speed SHIMANO I currently have all ultegra components in my drive train with a double in the front and 9 speed cassette. Can I change to a 10 speed cassette without having to replace everything else? I have noticed cranksets and derailers listed as 10 speed. Also can I upgrade my crankset to dura-ace without upgrading everything else? I want to change to a 10 speed because of the hills I ride. Any thoughts on how to go about making theses changes or reasons why these changes are a bad idea would be helpful. I have only been riding a year. |
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2009-07-07 10:18 PM in reply to: #2269025 |
Master 1810 Morse Lake, Noblesville, Indiana | Subject: RE: changing 9 speed to 10 speed SHIMANO Rocknfire - 2009-07-07 10:57 PM I currently have all ultegra components in my drive train with a double in the front and 9 speed cassette. Can I change to a 10 speed cassette without having to replace everything else? I have noticed cranksets and derailers listed as 10 speed. Also can I upgrade my crankset to dura-ace without upgrading everything else? I want to change to a 10 speed because of the hills I ride. Any thoughts on how to go about making theses changes or reasons why these changes are a bad idea would be helpful. I have only been riding a year. If you are doing this for the sole purpose of getting a wider range of gearing, it seems to me that you would be better off getting a compact crank or a tripple crank, and a wider range of gearing on your rear end. You can do this with the existing 9 speed, and not have to spend the $$$. If you have the $$$ to spend to upgrade all those components, unless you are just looking for bling, spend it on other things that may help you out. A lightweight set of wheels would probably make you faster on the hills. Get new lightweight wheels and a rear end with a wider range of gearing. That'd probably give you the best bang for the buck for climbing. |
2009-07-07 11:25 PM in reply to: #2269025 |
Expert 1484 | Subject: RE: changing 9 speed to 10 speed SHIMANO Ride more and ride hills more. I have a couple of bikes with 9sp and one with 10sp set up. What I notice between the the two is tighter ratio between gears, little easier to find the right gear with the 10sp. If you are riding hills, can you go to a 39 front ring for the inside one and a 27 or 26t rear cassette? That's a pretty good climbing set up, and assumes you don't have a compact front right now. Switching to 10sp from 9sp is a lot parts and you will just end up with the same hill climbing gear unless you switch to a compact double or triple. |
2009-07-07 11:57 PM in reply to: #2269025 |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: changing 9 speed to 10 speed SHIMANO A 10-spd cassette is not going to work with a 9-spd rear derailleur & shifter. You could certainly upgrade your crankset from from Ultegra to DA, but it doesn't really get you anything. It sounds to me like you'd be better off spending the money going to a 10-spd rear set up and a compact crank. Mark |
2009-07-08 7:31 AM in reply to: #2269174 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: changing 9 speed to 10 speed SHIMANO RedCorvette - 2009-07-08 1:57 AM A 10-spd cassette is not going to work with a 9-spd rear derailleur & shifter. Only part of this is true; if you want to go to 10-spd and are running STI shifters, what you will need to replace are the right brifter, cassette and chain. If you are running bar cons, you will just need to put it into friction and replace cassette and chain. However, as others have mentioned, 10-spd is not likely the answer you are looking for; I would go with a different cassete (say 12-27) in order to give you better climbing gears. You could definitely go compact as well but the cassette is a much cheaper switch. Shane |
2009-07-08 8:00 AM in reply to: #2269163 |
Gilbert, Arizona | Subject: RE: changing 9 speed to 10 speed SHIMANO magic - 2009-07-07 9:25 PM If you are riding hills, can you go to a 39 front ring for the inside one and a 27 or 26t rear cassette? That's a pretty good climbing set up, and assumes you don't have a compact front right now. Switching to 10sp from 9sp is a lot parts and you will just end up with the same hill climbing gear unless you switch to a compact double or triple. Okay so what is a compact crank and what does the "t" stand for behind the 26? I looked at my current set-up and my 9-speed cassette is 12t-25t and the front is B39/B53 It sounds like I am chasing the wrong upgrades. I do not have lots of $$$ so what kind of wheels should I be looking for if that is a better upgrade? I have Mavic Ksyrium Equipe wheels right now. Thanks for the help |
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2009-07-08 8:08 AM in reply to: #2269478 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: changing 9 speed to 10 speed SHIMANO Rocknfire - 2009-07-08 10:00 AM Okay so what is a compact crank and what does the "t" stand for behind the 26? I looked at my current set-up and my 9-speed cassette is 12t-25t and the front is B39/B53 It sounds like I am chasing the wrong upgrades. I do not have lots of $$$ so what kind of wheels should I be looking for if that is a better upgrade? I have Mavic Ksyrium Equipe wheels right now. Thanks for the help t = teeth; so a 26 would have 26 teeth. Your current cassette has 12 teeth in the smallest cog and 25 in the biggest. A common starting point for people who are running out of gears is to go with a 12-27; the 27 tooth cog would give you a speed of about 10mph at 90rpm compared to the 25 which is about 11mph at 90rpm. ETA - this is not a wheel upgrade; your wheels are not what are causing problems with climbing. The cassette (gear cluster) on the wheel can be swapped out for a cassette that is better suited to your cycling ability. Shane Edited by gsmacleod 2009-07-08 8:09 AM |
2009-07-08 8:21 AM in reply to: #2269494 |
Gilbert, Arizona | Subject: RE: changing 9 speed to 10 speed SHIMANO " I looked at my current set-up and my 9-speed cassette is 12t-25t and the front is B39/B53 It sounds like I am chasing the wrong upgrades. I do not have lots of $$$ so what kind of wheels should I be looking for if that is a better upgrade? I have Mavic Ksyrium Equipe wheels right now. Thanks for the help t = teeth; so a 26 would have 26 teeth. Your current cassette has 12 teeth in the smallest cog and 25 in the biggest. A common starting point for people who are running out of gears is to go with a 12-27; the 27 tooth cog would give you a speed of about 10mph at 90rpm compared to the 25 which is about 11mph at 90rpm. ETA - this is not a wheel upgrade; your wheels are not what are causing problems with climbing. The cassette (gear cluster) on the wheel can be swapped out for a cassette that is better suited to your cycling ability. Shane" Thanks for the explanation, I guess I have a lot to earn about terminology. I do realize that I don't have to change wheels to get a new cassette. Someone had suggested that I would be better off upgrading to lighter wheels instead of buying new gears. Of course maybe I just need to climb more hills and save my money for something else!! Edited by Rocknfire 2009-07-08 8:24 AM |
2009-07-08 12:17 PM in reply to: #2269025 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: changing 9 speed to 10 speed SHIMANO You can also buy a 38t chain ring ands swap out for the 39. Look at peterwhitecycles.com and you want what's known as a 130mm BCD (bolt center diamater) for a Shimano crankset. It helps a little. The 12-27 will be a bigger help. Swap those out and you'll notice a difference. Changing to 10 speed is too costly and marginal improvement. |
2009-07-09 9:25 AM in reply to: #2269025 |
Gilbert, Arizona | Subject: RE: changing 9 speed to 10 speed SHIMANO Thanks for the help. |