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 2009-07-31 4:14 PM in reply to: #2320380 |
Master  2355    Houston, TX |  Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes?evondo - 2009-07-31 4:10 PM Why would it impress you more if their time was the exact same? Unless of course you thought Clydesdales were just slower  jldicarlo - 2009-07-31 3:35 PM0 if someone told me they came in 5th in their AG I would be far far far more impressed than if they told me they placed first in Clydes. They may be able to swim/bike but they can never run. |
| 2009-07-31 4:16 PM in reply to: #2320379 |
Champion 8540   the colony texas | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? I"ve changed my race catagory when I saw that I"m in wave 12 for clydes and I"d be wave 3 for AG  that was a nice option.. One of the local RD weighes everyone at packet pick-up. so there is no confusion about who is or isn't a clyde/athena In related news I like bacon |
| 2009-07-31 4:18 PM in reply to: #2320384 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? smilford - 2009-07-31 4:14 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:10 PM Why would it impress you more if their time was the exact same? Unless of course you thought Clydesdales were just slower They may be able to swim/bike but they can never run. jldicarlo - 2009-07-31 3:35 PM0 if someone told me they came in 5th in their AG I would be far far far more impressed than if they told me they placed first in Clydes. said the speedy sub 17 5k twig |
| 2009-07-31 4:18 PM in reply to: #2320384 |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? smilford - 2009-07-31 5:14 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:10 PM Why would it impress you more if their time was the exact same? Unless of course you thought Clydesdales were just slower They may be able to swim/bike but they can never run. jldicarlo - 2009-07-31 3:35 PM0 if someone told me they came in 5th in their AG I would be far far far more impressed than if they told me they placed first in Clydes. this almost goes back to the Aquabike argument, lol, lets open another can of worms..... |
| 2009-07-31 4:24 PM in reply to: #2320384 |
Master 1318 Houston | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? Ya ya, I don't have the clydesdale excuse for my run sucking anymore... It just sucks which is why I swim over people like YOU smilford - 2009-07-31 4:14 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:10 PM Why would it impress you more if their time was the exact same? Unless of course you thought Clydesdales were just slower They may be able to swim/bike but they can never run. jldicarlo - 2009-07-31 3:35 PM0 if someone told me they came in 5th in their AG I would be far far far more impressed than if they told me they placed first in Clydes. |
| 2009-07-31 4:26 PM in reply to: #2320202 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? I gotta talk smack to Evondo while I still can.. |
| 2009-07-31 4:30 PM in reply to: #2320202 |
Master 1472 | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? I will just never get why this topic gets so much debate. If the race cutoff is 200 pounds and he is 200 pounds.... he can race Clyde. Anyone second guessing it, looking down on him, etc is somewhat misguided in my opinion. Congrats to him on a damn good race! |
| 2009-07-31 4:34 PM in reply to: #2320413 |
Master 1318 Houston | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? You've probably got quite a bit of time to smack talk the way your swim's been improving... Back on topic though, I don't mind a fast person signing up for clydes because they want the hardware. If they meet the weight limit then great for them. I personally know it's much harder to run as a heavier guy than a light one... smilford - 2009-07-31 4:26 PM I gotta talk smack to Evondo while I still can.. |
| 2009-07-31 4:45 PM in reply to: #2320434 |
Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? evondo - 2009-07-31 4:34 PM I personally know it's much harder to run as a heavier guy than a light one... OMG I just can't help myself! It's also much harder to (swim or bike or) run as a person with: Diabetes Asthma Arthritis Cancer or in remission Heart paliptations Amputated limbs Short legs Previous injuries Shin splints Big boobies Females on their period Ingrown toenails Poor eyesight Depression Migranes Intestinal disorders (ooh that's me! where's my category?) |
| 2009-07-31 4:51 PM in reply to: #2320457 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? lisac957 - 2009-07-31 4:45 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:34 PM I personally know it's much harder to run as a heavier guy than a light one... OMG I just can't help myself! It's also much harder to (swim or bike or) run as a person with: Diabetes Asthma Arthritis Cancer or in remission Heart paliptations Amputated limbs Short legs Previous injuries Shin splints Big boobies Females on their period Ingrown toenails Poor eyesight Depression Migranes Intestinal disorders (ooh that's me! where's my category?) You said Big Boobies |
| 2009-07-31 4:53 PM in reply to: #2320457 |
Master 1318 Houston | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? You've pretty much listed medical conditions/illnesses and big boobs which might put the person in Athena category... Anyways, being 200+ guy or your age is not a medical condition. lisac957 - 2009-07-31 4:45 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:34 PM I personally know it's much harder to run as a heavier guy than a light one... OMG I just can't help myself! It's also much harder to (swim or bike or) run as a person with: Diabetes Asthma Arthritis Cancer or in remission Heart paliptations Amputated limbs Short legs Previous injuries Shin splints Big boobies Females on their period Ingrown toenails Poor eyesight Depression Migranes Intestinal disorders (ooh that's me! where's my category?) |
| 2009-07-31 4:58 PM in reply to: #2320371 |
Champion 6627 Rochester Hills, Michigan Gold member | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? Rogillio - 2009-07-31 5:06 PM the bear - 2009-07-31 3:56 PM Race directors do what they can to get as many people to enter their events as possible. Of course, people are motivated by many different reasons, and one of them is bling. So an RD is going to have as many categories and as much bling that he needs to bring him a marginal benefit that is greater than the cost of providing that bling. Purely an economic decision. Purists can argue against classifications as much as they want, but in the end it's the RDs choice. By the opposite token: The biggest race in our area does NOT offer clyde/athena divisions. I have friends who have argued witht he RD (who is the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet) until they were blue in the face to no avail. I know of a couple who don't do his race because of it. Why doesn't he offer it? His race sells out kmonths in advance, every year for the past decade or so. Evidently he feels the male/female and age group divisions to be worth the effort, as wella s the Masters and Grand Masters. I agree. It all comes down the the RD's decision about how to build/maintain an economically viable race. ~Mike x3. You've magically stumbled onto triathlon's version of bicycle racing's Green, White, or Polka dot Jerseys (TDF-specific), Primes (crit), or rewards for a performance in a series (of any kind), or USAT's rankings. Most people are racing for some kind of status, and the more divisions, the more status that can be bestowed. You're gonna fall into one of two camps on this: 1) status in AG/division matters, or 2) your personal performance and experience matters. I tend to side on the Lisa/your performance matters side, as age/weight seem to be the two criteria that society has accepted as a way to differentiate performance. But there are so many other things that are more credible as differentiators. So in the end, Bear's right. Whoever is standing to profit from the endeavor will create as many marketing divisions as they need to upon whatever criteria maximize benefit. BTW: two other things. I'm a pseudo-clyde. And I want a McDonalds and beer-fueled division. Just sayin'. |
| 2009-07-31 5:03 PM in reply to: #2320202 |
Member 15 metrowest MA | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? i guess the biggest question i have for those who are wondering why this guy chose to race clydes... why do you care? if you're satisfied in your AG, or in your athena/clydes classification, do you mind so much what other people chose? the woman here who qualifies for athena but races AG is an example. does that make her better or worse than other entrants? does she care if i decide to race athena and not AG? hopefully it hasn't even crossed her mind. i understand why people who are actually entering the weight classes question themselves. this past weekend was my second tri ever, and i asked myself if i should race AG or athena. why? because at my first tri the month before, i would have won the athena class. i thought it would be a helpful motivational tool to see if i could place in this second race. and yeah, i did; i won athena. and i was also 5th in my AG (20-29). i felt equally proud of both, but i had to ask myself if i felt justified in feeling that way; was one more worthy than the other? ultimately i decided that i was equally proud. i don't know if i'll continue racing athena; the stress of knowing i could win my class was kind of unpleasant, whereas i knew in my first tri i couldn't win my AG so i didn't worry about it. but that speaks to my personality and race mentality, and not where i "deserve" to be classed. i find it helpful for my training to assess how quick i am based on both other women my age and other women closer to my size. each is just a data point, neither feels more or less legitimate to me. but if that's not true for you, then great - continue to race AG. but why question the personal decision someone else has made? |
| 2009-07-31 5:03 PM in reply to: #2320457 |
| Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? lisac957 - 2009-07-31 2:45 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:34 PM I personally know it's much harder to run as a heavier guy than a light one... OMG I just can't help myself! It's also much harder to (swim or bike or) run as a person with: Diabetes Asthma Arthritis Cancer or in remission Heart paliptations Amputated limbs Short legs Previous injuries Shin splints Big boobies Females on their period Ingrown toenails Poor eyesight Depression Migranes Intestinal disorders (ooh that's me! where's my category?) How about a "I can't resist getting flamed" category? And you were doing so well...... |
| 2009-07-31 5:23 PM in reply to: #2320202 |
Expert 1394 Wilmington, NC | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? He races AG in Ironman, because they do not have a clyde division, and he is trying to get a spot at Kona at IMC in a little bit. He has some super fast bike times and has been the topic of discussion a few times on other forums. He is not much of a runner, his size does not help him in running as it does in cycling. In Olympics and under he can place pretty high in his AG with the run not being quite as important, but once he has to go longer HIM and above his run really takes him a bit further from the podium so Clydes makes more sense if it is hardware he is after. I don't think he is to worried either way and races for other reasons. He is also sponsored by a few different companies, ZIPP, included, and they sponsor him because he is a Clyde and they are trying to market their Cyde wheels and the like so maybe he races Clydes for sponsor reasons. |
| 2009-07-31 5:26 PM in reply to: #2320515 |
| Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? qrkid - 2009-07-31 3:23 PM He races AG in Ironman, because they do not have a clyde division, and he is trying to get a spot at Kona at IMC in a little bit. He has some super fast bike times and has been the topic of discussion a few times on other forums. He is not much of a runner, his size does not help him in running as it does in cycling. In Olympics and under he can place pretty high in his AG with the run not being quite as important, but once he has to go longer HIM and above his run really takes him a bit further from the podium so Clydes makes more sense if it is hardware he is after. I don't think he is to worried either way and races for other reasons. He is also sponsored by a few different companies, ZIPP, included, and they sponsor him because he is a Clyde and they are trying to market their Cyde wheels and the like so maybe he races Clydes for sponsor reasons. Thank you for the insight |
| 2009-07-31 5:33 PM in reply to: #2320465 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? evondo - 2009-07-31 4:53 PM You've pretty much listed medical conditions/illnesses and big boobs which might put the person in Athena category... Anyways, being 200+ guy or your age is not a medical condition. lisac957 - 2009-07-31 4:45 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:34 PM I personally know it's much harder to run as a heavier guy than a light one... OMG I just can't help myself! It's also much harder to (swim or bike or) run as a person with: Diabetes Asthma Arthritis Cancer or in remission Heart paliptations Amputated limbs Short legs Previous injuries Shin splints Big boobies Females on their period Ingrown toenails Poor eyesight Depression Migranes Intestinal disorders (ooh that's me! where's my category?) But but but... you can't help it if you have asthma or diabetes or anything on that list, right? I thought that was the whole argument for the clydes category... that you can't help being 200 lbs and are at a disadvantage because of it. Medical conditions or not, all of those things are beyond our control and put us at a significant disadvantage. |
| 2009-07-31 5:44 PM in reply to: #2320532 |
| Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? lisac957 - 2009-07-31 3:33 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:53 PM You've pretty much listed medical conditions/illnesses and big boobs which might put the person in Athena category... Anyways, being 200+ guy or your age is not a medical condition. lisac957 - 2009-07-31 4:45 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:34 PM I personally know it's much harder to run as a heavier guy than a light one... OMG I just can't help myself! It's also much harder to (swim or bike or) run as a person with: Diabetes Asthma Arthritis Cancer or in remission Heart paliptations Amputated limbs Short legs Previous injuries Shin splints Big boobies Females on their period Ingrown toenails Poor eyesight Depression Migranes Intestinal disorders (ooh that's me! where's my category?) But but but... you can't help it if you have asthma or diabetes or anything on that list, right? I thought that was the whole argument for the clydes category... that you can't help being 200 lbs and are at a disadvantage because of it. Medical conditions or not, all of those things are beyond our control and put us at a significant disadvantage. not all, see if you can guess which one I am referring to........ |
| 2009-07-31 5:47 PM in reply to: #2320532 |
Sneaky Slow 8694 Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? lisac957 - 2009-07-31 6:33 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:53 PM You've pretty much listed medical conditions/illnesses and big boobs which might put the person in Athena category... Anyways, being 200+ guy or your age is not a medical condition. lisac957 - 2009-07-31 4:45 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:34 PM I personally know it's much harder to run as a heavier guy than a light one... OMG I just can't help myself! It's also much harder to (swim or bike or) run as a person with: Diabetes Asthma Arthritis Cancer or in remission Heart paliptations Amputated limbs Short legs Previous injuries Shin splints Big boobies Females on their period Ingrown toenails Poor eyesight Depression Migranes Intestinal disorders (ooh that's me! where's my category?) But but but... you can't help it if you have asthma or diabetes or anything on that list, right? I thought that was the whole argument for the clydes category... that you can't help being 200 lbs and are at a disadvantage because of it. Medical conditions or not, all of those things are beyond our control and put us at a significant disadvantage. So only the women with Big Natural Boobies, since it is out of their control, get a division? |
| 2009-07-31 6:02 PM in reply to: #2320202 |
Master 1472 | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? I think it has been suggested somewere in all of this. Just do away with all categories. Men, women, age, clydes, athenas. A woman who places say, 5th overall should not be racing women. Clearly she is competitive with the men. Train harder young lady and you can get a podium spot with the men.
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| 2009-07-31 6:08 PM in reply to: #2320541 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? ChrisM - 2009-07-31 5:44 PM lisac957 - 2009-07-31 3:33 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:53 PM You've pretty much listed medical conditions/illnesses and big boobs which might put the person in Athena category... Anyways, being 200+ guy or your age is not a medical condition. lisac957 - 2009-07-31 4:45 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:34 PM I personally know it's much harder to run as a heavier guy than a light one... OMG I just can't help myself! It's also much harder to (swim or bike or) run as a person with: Diabetes Asthma Arthritis Cancer or in remission Heart paliptations Amputated limbs Short legs Previous injuries Shin splints Big boobies Females on their period Ingrown toenails Poor eyesight Depression Migranes Intestinal disorders (ooh that's me! where's my category?) But but but... you can't help it if you have asthma or diabetes or anything on that list, right? I thought that was the whole argument for the clydes category... that you can't help being 200 lbs and are at a disadvantage because of it. Medical conditions or not, all of those things are beyond our control and put us at a significant disadvantage. not all, see if you can guess which one I am referring to........
I know. I know. The guy who says there is no evidence that being big is not proven to be a disadvantage. The guy who is only about 180 lbs. The guy who always posts for people to 'bike more'. The guy who likes to post "You are wrong". Did I win?
~Mike |
| 2009-07-31 6:11 PM in reply to: #2320570 |
Sneaky Slow 8694 Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? Rogillio - 2009-07-31 7:08 PM ChrisM - 2009-07-31 5:44 PM lisac957 - 2009-07-31 3:33 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:53 PM You've pretty much listed medical conditions/illnesses and big boobs which might put the person in Athena category... Anyways, being 200+ guy or your age is not a medical condition. lisac957 - 2009-07-31 4:45 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:34 PM I personally know it's much harder to run as a heavier guy than a light one... OMG I just can't help myself! It's also much harder to (swim or bike or) run as a person with: Diabetes Asthma Arthritis Cancer or in remission Heart paliptations Amputated limbs Short legs Previous injuries Shin splints Big boobies Females on their period Ingrown toenails Poor eyesight Depression Migranes Intestinal disorders (ooh that's me! where's my category?) But but but... you can't help it if you have asthma or diabetes or anything on that list, right? I thought that was the whole argument for the clydes category... that you can't help being 200 lbs and are at a disadvantage because of it. Medical conditions or not, all of those things are beyond our control and put us at a significant disadvantage. not all, see if you can guess which one I am referring to........
I know. I know. The guy who says there is no evidence that being big is not proven to be a disadvantage. The guy who is only about 180 lbs. The guy who always posts for people to 'bike more'. The guy who likes to post "You are wrong". Did I win? ~Mike ??? Dude, I think he was talking about something from the list, not a BTer. Edited by newleaf 2009-07-31 6:11 PM |
| 2009-07-31 6:16 PM in reply to: #2320545 |
Master 1655 NJ | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? newleaf - 2009-07-31 6:47 PM lisac957 - 2009-07-31 6:33 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:53 PM You've pretty much listed medical conditions/illnesses and big boobs which might put the person in Athena category... Anyways, being 200+ guy or your age is not a medical condition. lisac957 - 2009-07-31 4:45 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:34 PM I personally know it's much harder to run as a heavier guy than a light one... OMG I just can't help myself! It's also much harder to (swim or bike or) run as a person with: Diabetes Asthma Arthritis Cancer or in remission Heart paliptations Amputated limbs Short legs Previous injuries Shin splints Big boobies Females on their period Ingrown toenails Poor eyesight Depression Migranes Intestinal disorders (ooh that's me! where's my category?) But but but... you can't help it if you have asthma or diabetes or anything on that list, right? I thought that was the whole argument for the clydes category... that you can't help being 200 lbs and are at a disadvantage because of it. Medical conditions or not, all of those things are beyond our control and put us at a significant disadvantage. So only the women with Big Natural Boobies, since it is out of their control, get a division? Yes, we women w/ BNB's should get our own division. We have to wear more clothes which add weight (big honkin' azz bras) under our clothes, BNB's are NOT aerodynamic on the bike - big drag factor, and on the run, they just get in the way. Personally, I usually race Athena and do so b/c I get a better chance at hardware. What it really comes down to though is bettering my own personal times. Hardware is just extra. If I reach or exceed my personal goals, it's a good race for me. Also, FWIW, I was at the OP's race this past Sunday and hardly ANY of the Athena's were marked accurately on their legs. I came in 4th Athena and didn't see anyone else in the entire race with an "A" on their leg. Granted, I was 12 mins. slower than 3rd place but the whole race not to see anyone??? If you're gonna race A or C, get marked as such - just like AG'ers. |
| 2009-07-31 6:25 PM in reply to: #2320578 |
Sneaky Slow 8694 Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? kristinc0916 - 2009-07-31 7:16 PM newleaf - 2009-07-31 6:47 PM lisac957 - 2009-07-31 6:33 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:53 PM You've pretty much listed medical conditions/illnesses and big boobs which might put the person in Athena category... Anyways, being 200+ guy or your age is not a medical condition. lisac957 - 2009-07-31 4:45 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:34 PM I personally know it's much harder to run as a heavier guy than a light one... OMG I just can't help myself! It's also much harder to (swim or bike or) run as a person with: Diabetes Asthma Arthritis Cancer or in remission Heart paliptations Amputated limbs Short legs Previous injuries Shin splints Big boobies Females on their period Ingrown toenails Poor eyesight Depression Migranes Intestinal disorders (ooh that's me! where's my category?) But but but... you can't help it if you have asthma or diabetes or anything on that list, right? I thought that was the whole argument for the clydes category... that you can't help being 200 lbs and are at a disadvantage because of it. Medical conditions or not, all of those things are beyond our control and put us at a significant disadvantage. So only the women with Big Natural Boobies, since it is out of their control, get a division? Yes, we women w/ BNB's should get our own division. We have to wear more clothes which add weight (big honkin' azz bras) under our clothes, BNB's are NOT aerodynamic on the bike - big drag factor, and on the run, they just get in the way. I, then, will selflessly volunteer to be the "podium guy" and place the finishers medals round your necks. I'm not all that tall, though, so y'all might need to bend down just a tad. |
| 2009-07-31 6:28 PM in reply to: #2320572 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Why would someone this fast race Clydes? newleaf - 2009-07-31 6:11 PM Rogillio - 2009-07-31 7:08 PM ChrisM - 2009-07-31 5:44 PM lisac957 - 2009-07-31 3:33 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:53 PM You've pretty much listed medical conditions/illnesses and big boobs which might put the person in Athena category... Anyways, being 200+ guy or your age is not a medical condition. lisac957 - 2009-07-31 4:45 PM evondo - 2009-07-31 4:34 PM I personally know it's much harder to run as a heavier guy than a light one... OMG I just can't help myself! It's also much harder to (swim or bike or) run as a person with: Diabetes Asthma Arthritis Cancer or in remission Heart paliptations Amputated limbs Short legs Previous injuries Shin splints Big boobies Females on their period Ingrown toenails Poor eyesight Depression Migranes Intestinal disorders (ooh that's me! where's my category?) But but but... you can't help it if you have asthma or diabetes or anything on that list, right? I thought that was the whole argument for the clydes category... that you can't help being 200 lbs and are at a disadvantage because of it. Medical conditions or not, all of those things are beyond our control and put us at a significant disadvantage. not all, see if you can guess which one I am referring to........
I know. I know. The guy who says there is no evidence that being big is not proven to be a disadvantage. The guy who is only about 180 lbs. The guy who always posts for people to 'bike more'. The guy who likes to post "You are wrong". Did I win? ~Mike ??? Dude, I think he was talking about something from the list, not a BTer.
Oops, my bad. Well occasional self humiliation is good for my constitution.
~Mike |
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