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 2009-08-28 10:54 AM |
Extreme Veteran  682    Canton, MI. via Detroit |  Subject: Track LayoutI've never been on a track in my life. I'm training for a 1/2 marathon. So I saw some training plans on Jeff Galloway's site. LOOK AT SUNDAY on "Half Marathon Training Schedule for Time Goal Runners"ttp://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/half_marathon.html I get it! Ramp up the one long run per week. What I don't get are the units. I'm at week 8 (8 x 800) is that yards? Some of the other Long runs are in miles. If I go to my local high school track will it have miles or meters or yards or all or what? Edited by Detroit Dan 2009-08-28 10:57 AM |
| 2009-08-28 10:58 AM in reply to: #2376351 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Track Layout An 800 is two full laps around a standard track. Older tracks are done in yards and they would really be 880's. Newer stuff is built with meters so each lap is a 400. 8 x 800's?? Why????? |
| 2009-08-28 11:01 AM in reply to: #2376360 |
Champion 6627 Rochester Hills, Michigan Gold member | Subject: RE: Track Layout Daremo - 2009-08-28 11:58 AM An 800 is two full laps around a standard track. Older tracks are done in yards and they would really be 880's. Newer stuff is built with meters so each lap is a 400. 8 x 800's?? Why????? Runnersworld advocated, for the longest time, running 800's as a staple of marathon training. Bart Yasso thought up that workout, and was a contributing columnist for Runnersworld...thus the popularity. Google 'Yasso 800's' and you'll get more than you want. The general idea was that if you could do 10x800 in 3:30/per, that your 'safe' marathon time was 3:30. And you get to 10x by starting at 4x, and adding an 800 per week until you get to 10. |
| 2009-08-28 11:39 AM in reply to: #2376351 |
Extreme Veteran 682 Canton, MI. via Detroit | Subject: RE: Track Layout A week from Sunday I run 13 miles or 52.2925 laps? If I don't loose count or get dizzy, I can just guess the ".2925" part. |
| 2009-08-28 12:01 PM in reply to: #2376481 |
Member 125 alexandria, VA | Subject: RE: Track Layout Detroit Dan - 2009-08-28 12:39 PM A week from Sunday I run 13 miles or 52.2925 laps? If I don't loose count or get dizzy, I can just guess the ".2925" part. i wouldnt run anything over 3 miles on a track unless it absolutely had to be the correct distance. i get bored/lose count too easily. try mapmyrun.com or google maps with distance measurement or use your car/bike and odometer to plot out distances from a starting point and go run through the streets or on a trail. i save running on the track for interval workouts where distance is important and for timed efforts of distance. |
| 2009-08-28 12:23 PM in reply to: #2376351 |
Extreme Veteran 682 Canton, MI. via Detroit | Subject: RE: Track Layout That's kinda what I thought. BTW I went to Mapmyrun.com YUK. The advertising made the sight unusable. |
| 2009-08-28 12:23 PM in reply to: #2376368 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Track Layout rkreuser - 2009-08-28 12:01 PM Daremo - 2009-08-28 11:58 AM An 800 is two full laps around a standard track. Older tracks are done in yards and they would really be 880's. Newer stuff is built with meters so each lap is a 400. 8 x 800's?? Why????? Runnersworld advocated, for the longest time, running 800's as a staple of marathon training. Bart Yasso thought up that workout, and was a contributing columnist for Runnersworld...thus the popularity. Google 'Yasso 800's' and you'll get more than you want. The general idea was that if you could do 10x800 in 3:30/per, that your 'safe' marathon time was 3:30. And you get to 10x by starting at 4x, and adding an 800 per week until you get to 10. I know more than enough about Yasso and his 800's. I also know of people who didn't hit their times because they focused so much on the 800 efforts that they lost the forest for the trees. I'm all for properly done interval training for marathons. But 8 x 800 is silly to me. Anything more than 5 or 6 is overkill. |
| 2009-08-28 12:29 PM in reply to: #2376481 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Track Layout Detroit Dan - 2009-08-28 1:39 PM A week from Sunday I run 13 miles or 52.2925 laps? If I don't loose count or get dizzy, I can just guess the ".2925" part. Why would you run this on the track? If you are doing specific distance repeats (i.e. 200's, 400's, 800's, 1200's, miles, etc) then you can use the track. For a continuous run there is very little reason to ever consider doing that on the track. Shane |
| 2009-08-28 12:40 PM in reply to: #2376481 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: Track Layout Why would you go to the track for a regular run? Edited by mmrocker13 2009-08-28 12:40 PM |
| 2009-08-28 12:48 PM in reply to: #2376351 |
Extreme Veteran 682 Canton, MI. via Detroit | Subject: RE: Track Layout I guess I don't want to run on a track. But I did want to get some times for a mile run, I guess just to use for tracking progress. Or to help predict what pace I'm running at. Then come back to the track after a month or so and try again. But now I know tracks don't have miles on them. |
| 2009-08-28 12:56 PM in reply to: #2376582 |
Extreme Veteran 682 Canton, MI. via Detroit | Subject: RE: Track Layout Daremo - 2009-08-28 12:23 PM rkreuser - 2009-08-28 12:01 PM Daremo - 2009-08-28 11:58 AM An 800 is two full laps around a standard track. Older tracks are done in yards and they would really be 880's. Newer stuff is built with meters so each lap is a 400. 8 x 800's?? Why????? Runnersworld advocated, for the longest time, running 800's as a staple of marathon training. Bart Yasso thought up that workout, and was a contributing columnist for Runnersworld...thus the popularity. Google 'Yasso 800's' and you'll get more than you want. The general idea was that if you could do 10x800 in 3:30/per, that your 'safe' marathon time was 3:30. And you get to 10x by starting at 4x, and adding an 800 per week until you get to 10. I know more than enough about Yasso and his 800's. I also know of people who didn't hit their times because they focused so much on the 800 efforts that they lost the forest for the trees. I'm all for properly done interval training for marathons. But 8 x 800 is silly to me. Anything more than 5 or 6 is overkill. OK. That works for me. I never did one before, why start now. I guess I'll just replace them with a long runs of 12, 14 and 16 miles. |
| 2009-08-28 1:20 PM in reply to: #2376351 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Track Layout If I were you, there are some things I would consider changing with this plan: |
| 2009-08-28 1:40 PM in reply to: #2376650 |
| Member 40 Modoc County, CA | Subject: RE: Track Layout Detroit Dan - 2009-08-28 10:48 AM I guess I don't want to run on a track. But I did want to get some times for a mile run, I guess just to use for tracking progress. Or to help predict what pace I'm running at. Then come back to the track after a month or so and try again. But now I know tracks don't have miles on them. If you just want to time a mile run, 4 laps on a 400m track is 1600m or approximately 1 mile. 1 mile = 1609.34 meters. There is usually a separate start line back a bit from the 400 start/finish line for a mile exactly. I really like using Google maps with their satellite maps to figure out distances, especially since I do some of my running on unmapped trails/dirt roads (they are visible on sat images). Edited by Jyous 2009-08-28 1:45 PM |
| 2009-08-28 1:44 PM in reply to: #2376351 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Track Layout Yasso 800s weren't a "staple of marathon training" as much as a test, a predictor to see where you are in your training and pacing. http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-244-255-624-0,00.html Edited by the bear 2009-08-28 1:46 PM |
| 2009-08-28 9:44 PM in reply to: #2376351 |
Extreme Veteran 682 Canton, MI. via Detroit | Subject: RE: Track Layout After further review... I guess I don't need the track and could get some more running in. I'm having a hard time adding another run per week. at 50 years old I can only run 3 times a week. Maybe every other day, but that makes my long run move around to much. Or...maybe i could try to run 2 days in a row. Recovery is becoming an issue. Sunday - long run monday - rest Tuesday - run an Hour Wedensday - rest Thursday - run an hour Friday - Jog slow for an hour Saturday - rest. Is this better than the original Jeff Galloway plan? |
| 2009-08-29 7:25 AM in reply to: #2376351 |
Extreme Veteran 682 Canton, MI. via Detroit | Subject: RE: Track Layout Or better yet... Maybe I can still run every other day, but alternate my one long run from Saturday to Sunday and back. Why didn't God put 8 days in a week? |
| 2009-08-29 10:12 AM in reply to: #2377573 |
Master 1472 | Subject: RE: Track Layout Detroit Dan - 2009-08-28 7:44 PM After further review... I guess I don't need the track and could get some more running in. I'm having a hard time adding another run per week. at 50 years old I can only run 3 times a week. Maybe every other day, but that makes my long run move around to much. Or...maybe i could try to run 2 days in a row. Recovery is becoming an issue. Sunday - long run monday - rest Tuesday - run an Hour Wedensday - rest Thursday - run an hour Friday - Jog slow for an hour Saturday - rest. Is this better than the original Jeff Galloway plan? Could be your running too hard. Slow down. Workouts should be repeatable. If you can't do the same workout tomorrow you may be running to hard. Save the hard efforts for race day. |
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