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2009-09-01 3:03 PM

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Subject: Racing in Clydesdale Division
Hi Everyone,

I have a question the Clydesdale Division.  According to what I have read, the only requirement for the Clydesdale division is that you are over 200 pounds.  With this said, I am 6'5 and I weigh about 203 pounds and as you can see from my picture, I'm not overweight by any means.  My friend that I train with keeps recommending that I race in the Clydesdale division.  However, I feel like its kind of cheating or just really not meant for people with my build.  I certainly don't want to knock anyone that may already do this, but I'm curious on what peoples thoughts are about a guy with my build racing in that division.

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2009-09-01 3:06 PM
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Whooo,  get ready for an... ummmm.. "interesting" thread.....  

Anyway, if you are over 200# on race day, it's not cheating at all.  I am a "true" clyde , and have a friend that is 6'3" and 202 and RIPPED.  Races as a clyde, to my chagrin.  But he's not cheating.

Honestly, no one really cares except those that come in behind you and are annoyed that you kept them off the podium (if you get that high).  Those people (i.e., me ) just need to get faster.
2009-09-01 3:20 PM
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Actually it was devised for people of your build, it never was meant to be a fat, out-of-shape division. There is only one qualification, >200 lbs., if you meet it, feel free to compete in the division.
2009-09-01 3:32 PM
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the bear - 2009-09-01 4:20 PM Actually it was devised for people of your build, it never was meant to be a fat, out-of-shape division. There is only one qualification, >200 lbs., if you meet it, feel free to compete in the division.


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2009-09-01 3:33 PM
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the bear - 2009-09-01 1:20 PM Actually it was devised for people of your build, it never was meant to be a fat, out-of-shape division. There is only one qualification, >200 lbs., if you meet it, feel free to compete in the division.


Thanks.  Simple and to the point.
2009-09-01 3:36 PM
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The Bear is right again... It just rolls off your lips... The Bear is right again... Fun to say too.


2009-09-01 5:01 PM
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I think it depends on what sort of competition you want.  If you want to race against people that are 250+ and you are 203 lbs, then you will probably blow them out of the water, be FOP and maybe even take home some hardware.  If you want to race against 185 lb guys, the competition is gonna be a stiffer and you might not be FOP.

Bear is right and the division was intended for large-frame guys/gals but so what.  Just becuase that is what is was intended for does not mean that is who races in that division.  I doubt there are many 275 lb men in who choose to race AG.

BTW, I don't know if there are USAT rules for clyde weight limits or if this an RD call but the first triathlon I ever did (1998) the clyde division was >230 lbs.  There were only 5 people in that division....I placed 3rd!  The next year they changed it to >210 and there were about 25 to 30 people in the division....I was BOP and have been there ever since.

I'm 290 and I don't really care what division you race in.  There will always be people right at the weight cut-off just as there are people right at the AG limits. 

I was suprised to learn that M-dot IM events don't have a clyde/athena division.  I wonder why?  :-)  Maybe they don't think many 250 guys like me (at my last 2 IMs) would be doing an IM.

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2009-09-01 6:11 PM
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What they said.
As a clyde myself-6 ft 220-I would say that it is really personal preference. The Clyde weights are at the discretion of the Race Directors, so at the races I have done there is a clyde 185, clyde 200 and clyde 225.
I like racing as a clyde as there is a better chance I will get hardware.
However, if I ever make it below 200, I will be happy to be AG as well.
2009-09-01 6:23 PM
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Race in whichever one you want, like already said if you race Clydes then you may be FOP but if you choose AG then you probably wont... Last weeked I would have gotten 2nd if i raced Clydes but i raced AG and didnt come close to placing.

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2009-09-01 7:55 PM
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I agree with what most of these guys are saying....but I also see what hockeyhands is saying. I am in a similar boat, I generally weigh between 203-208, but am low body fat (8%) and have always thought it was cheating to race as a clyde. So I will switch back and forth between AG and Clyde depending on the race. Not that I've done a ton of races but I've placed better in some races that I've raced AG than I would have if I raced Clyde for that particular race.
The only thing I can say is I used to weigh a bit less before and the extra weight (muscle or not) is definitely tougher on your body. If you meet the requirements of a Clyde then I say you shouldn't feel bad about racing there. If you really feel bad then just race in your AG or lose some weight and you won't have to make the decision.
2009-09-01 8:05 PM
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I have mixed opinions about it.  I've always thought Clydesdales and Athena were a motivator for overweight people to enter the sport, and I know its just a number but it does seem really cheezy if someone is training thier tails off and eating like a pig just to stay in that division.

Although 200 is awfully low, I do remember it being higher than that in past.  Alot of guys are over 200 and not even close to being overweight.


2009-09-01 8:30 PM
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furiousferret - 2009-09-01 8:05 PM I have mixed opinions about it.  I've always thought Clydesdales and Athena were a motivator for overweight people to enter the sport, and I know its just a number but it does seem really cheezy if someone is training thier tails off and eating like a pig just to stay in that division.

Although 200 is awfully low, I do remember it being higher than that in past.  Alot of guys are over 200 and not even close to being overweight.

 

I hve to admit that I always thought of clyde/athena as a 'special' category for us full-figured gals.  Then I read on BT that it was not for guys like me at all...it was for "big and lean" not "big and not-so-lean".

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2009-09-02 12:14 AM
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furiousferret - 2009-09-01 9:05 PM I have mixed opinions about it.  I've always thought Clydesdales and Athena were a motivator for overweight people to enter the sport, and I know its just a number but it does seem really cheezy if someone is training thier tails off and eating like a pig just to stay in that division.

Although 200 is awfully low, I do remember it being higher than that in past.  Alot of guys are over 200 and not even close to being overweight.


Ahem.  A/C=

Shire Draft

Because most of you AGers are cut like this:
arabian


This is NOT what the A/C catagory was created for but they get lumped in with us as well:
fat pony


In real life this is me the Athena vs my very skiny size 6 training partner. 
d'oh link will not work.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/watzek/3879875339/


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2009-09-02 12:34 AM
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I was suprised to learn that M-dot IM events don't have a clyde/athena division.  I wonder why?  :-)  Maybe they don't think many 250 guys like me (at my last 2 IMs) would be doing an IM.

~Mike



Up until last year they did, I think IMAZ was the last because I was a clyde there.   Although they stopped listing results separately after wisconsin, I think 
2009-09-02 6:02 AM
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ChrisM - 2009-09-02 12:34 AM

I was suprised to learn that M-dot IM events don't have a clyde/athena division.  I wonder why?  :-)  Maybe they don't think many 250 guys like me (at my last 2 IMs) would be doing an IM.

~Mike



Up until last year they did, I think IMAZ was the last because I was a clyde there.   Although they stopped listing results separately after wisconsin, I think 

 

2007, 2008 and 2009 IMKY did not offer a clyde/athena division....but IMKY has always been the red-headed stepchild or Rodney Dangerfield of M-dot races. 

I still remember the first time I saw a flyer for a triathlon, the Rocketman.  I had no idea there was such a thing as a triathlon besides that race they did in Hawaii that I saw on the Wide World of Sports when I was a kid.  I read thru the flyer and was getting excited thinking I wanted to do it when I saw the divisions and read "230 lbs".  My heart fell becuase I thought that was the maximum you were allowed to weigh and I was way over 230 lbs.  I kept studying the flyer and finally figured out that people over 230 lbs could actually do the race!  I was so excited I'd found a sport that I could actually participate in and, not only that, they have a special category for big guys like me! 

So maybe the "intent" of C/A is not for fat boys but that is ther perception of many people.  Over the years I can't tell you the number of people that chuckle when I tell them about triathlons and mention that I race "clydesdale".   Why is clyde funny?  Because when people invision thuroughbreds and clydesdales they envision Kenyans and guys like me on the same course....and that is funny! 

So you guys who put on a few pounds before a race so you can race with the fat boys go right ahead.  Us fat boys/girls never expect to win anything athletic anyway.  :-)

~Mike



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2009-09-02 6:48 AM
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This thread has become what hockeyhands hoped it wouldn't I suspect. More proof that most people think of the clyde division as the fat division. That's unfortunate. It's called clydesdale not [insert large unfit animal here]. I personally love seeing a tall strong woman racing as athena or an ex football (or hockey) player racing as a clyde. And, really love seeing the less "cut" of us racing side by side. I always view this group of us as C/A on their way to AG. That's what makes this sport great. But, if the division is going to have that type of stigma where some clydes think 1) others gain weight to podium (thereby stealing their advantage) or 2) jacked athletic people at 210 don't belong then people like hockeyhands will race AG. And still finish FOP (and podium).


2009-09-02 7:32 AM
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according to hockeyhand's logs, he cycled 2000 miles in an hour. you'll win every division at that speed, so no worries!!!


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2009-09-02 7:54 AM
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LOL! You don't go out for 2,000 mile rides everyday like me???  Oops...thanks for noticing that Ron.  I just fixed that. 

As for the discussion at hand, this is my first season as a triathlete.  I have done 3 races so far, all as an age grouper, 25-29, and finished 5th, 3rd, and 9th in my AG.  Am I competitive and want to get on the podium every time I race?  Absolutely!  But I certainly do not consider it the end of the world if I don't.

To be honest, I'll probably stick to AG.  I am a very competitive guy and think staying in AG will help motivate me to get faster, but I'm still really on the fence with this one.  I just don't want to be that guy that goes up to the podium and everybody thinks or says to their friends, "what is that guy doing racing in the clydes division?"

And maybe I'm looking into the matter way to much.  In reality, does it really matter?  The only person I honestly race against or need to prove something to is myself!  But this has topic has certainly made for some good conversation right?

Thanks a lot everyone!
2009-09-02 8:12 AM
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Although I qualify, I don't honestly get why people race as Clydes/Athenas.  Is it really for the chance at a better relative placement or the crapty medal you might earn?

I just have a hard time envision the conversation I might have with someone after placing in the clydesale division.  I think I'd have to have that canned "this kind of horse, not this kind of horse" response printed out on a flyer I could hand them.

 

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tri_d00d - 2009-09-02 8:32 AM according to hockeyhand's logs, he cycled 2000 miles in an hour. you'll win every division at that speed, so no worries!!!


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Well duh.. Us Clydes are too worried about our next cheeseburger to be messing around with proper placement of decimal points!

I wish I could compete in a Clydes class.  I have not seen one available yet.  I just hit a PB of 215 this morning. 
My suggestion would be to have a bench press at the finish of the race and allow each competitor to subtract 1 min for every pound they can bench.  They we could avoid a Clydes class and use that as a handicapping system.  Laughing

Or.. make clydes the AG class but have a 'hummingbird" class for the little people.  haha

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I am 62 and 200+ pounds. My choice is AG everytime. I will take my chances against others around my age rather then folks around my weight, but may be half my age. I have several podium finishes in my age group ( yes, there was more then three in my age group -most of the time).

I will admit it is fun to get some hardware once in a while, but that is not my motivation. My motivation is simply to stay fit and try to improve on my own performance. All the while keeping an eye on my training so I don't injure myself so I can keep doing this well into my 90's.

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BTW, don't assume all 250 lb clydes look like suma wrestlers.  Here's a pic of me at an IM that I weighed in at 254 lbs.

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the bear - 2009-09-01 4:20 PM Actually it was devised for people of your build, it never was meant to be a fat, out-of-shape division. There is only one qualification, >200 lbs., if you meet it, feel free to compete in the division.



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hockeyhands - 2009-09-02 8:54 AM

  I just don't want to be that guy that goes up to the podium and everybody thinks or says to their friends, "what is that guy doing racing in the clydes division?"

Thanks a lot everyone!



Nope us 6'2" 230lbs clydes say...."I wanna be as fast as that guy maybe i should keep working hard", not "what is he doing racing Clyde??"

at least that is me.


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