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BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW
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 2009-09-01 4:25 PM |
Member 17 wpb |  Subject: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW |
| 2009-09-01 4:51 PM in reply to: #2383539 |
Elite 4048  Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW VarneyT - 2009-09-01 2:25 PM Hrm. I spent some time searching through various forums, and nobody anywhere makes mention of this problem. Looking at the pictures on an online review (http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/FeltB12-2009.shtml), I can't see where the fork would hit, nor the brake when turning to the left. Lastly, you've got to be turning the handlebars almost 180 degrees to get any kind of a rub. Don't do that. John |
| 2009-09-01 4:56 PM in reply to: #2383539 |
| over a barrier | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW I would recommend taking your front wheel off when putting any bike in the car.... The first I've heard of this issue, got any pics? |
| 2009-09-01 4:59 PM in reply to: #2383539 |
Master 1795   Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW Get a Cervelo  Good to see you on BT Varney... |
| 2009-09-01 5:02 PM in reply to: #2383539 |
| Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW I just took my 2009 B12 and tried to turn the handlebars far enough to do anything like that. They don't physically turn that far. The handlebars turn about 90-100 degrees before they hit an internal stop of some sort. Nothing external touches anything else. This is your second post. I'm curious why you would post this without any first hand knowledge. |
| 2009-09-01 6:12 PM in reply to: #2383539 |
Expert 815 Milwaukee, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW have this bike and have never noticed this issue |
| 2009-09-01 6:23 PM in reply to: #2383539 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW I have this bike and I can confirm that the fork touches the frame if you turn past 90 degrees. When I first got the bike (I have a 2008 B12) I took off all the yellow saftey sticerks. I also noticed small, oval clear stickers on the fork. They didn't seem to serve any funtion so I took them off. Months later I figured out why they were there....as I now have scratches on that part of the fort from allowing the forks to turn too much. I'm gonna go test the other claim. BRB.
~Mike
Yup, OP is correct...least for my bike (2008 Felt B12) Edited by Rogillio 2009-09-01 6:43 PM (B12 fork.jpg) Attachments ---------------- B12 fork.jpg (54KB - 20 downloads) |
| 2009-09-01 6:32 PM in reply to: #2383539 |
| Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW Holy cow, what are you doing to the bike to find the fork thing out? I had to just about slam the bars all the way to the side to even see where the things touched. Now I've got a minor paint ding in one of the forks but what the heck do you do to your bike to find this out unintentionally? I've had it in the back seat, on the bike rack, and in and around door frames and never marred the paint there until now. |
| 2009-09-01 6:34 PM in reply to: #2383596 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW DanielG - 2009-09-01 5:02 PM I just took my 2009 B12 and tried to turn the handlebars far enough to do anything like that. They don't physically turn that far. The handlebars turn about 90-100 degrees before they hit an internal stop of some sort. Nothing external touches anything else. This is your second post. I'm curious why you would post this without any first hand knowledge.
There is no positive stop on mine. Mine is a 2008 B12 so maybe they added the stop in there as a design improvement for 2009? I would never intentionally turn my fork that far but I keep it on a bike stand and I keep a rubber band around the valve stem and the frame to keep the wheel from turning sideways. Sometimes when putting it on or taking it off the stand the bars will go 100 degrees. From the looks of the picture I posted, looks like the 2008 B12 "stop" is indeed the front brake calipers. I've kown about this for a long time but I dind't know it was a B12 thing. Ever since I found this out, I'm very careful to not let the bars go past about 80 degrees left/right.
~Mike Edited by Rogillio 2009-09-01 6:41 PM |
| 2009-09-01 6:44 PM in reply to: #2383715 |
| Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW Rogillio - 2009-09-01 7:34 PM DanielG - 2009-09-01 5:02 PM I just took my 2009 B12 and tried to turn the handlebars far enough to do anything like that. They don't physically turn that far. The handlebars turn about 90-100 degrees before they hit an internal stop of some sort. Nothing external touches anything else. This is your second post. I'm curious why you would post this without any first hand knowledge.
There is no positive stop on mine. Mine is a 2008 B12 so maybe they added the stop in there as a design improvement for 2009? I would never intentionally turn my fork that far but I keep it on a bike stand and I keep a rubber band around the valve stem and the frame to keep the wheel from turning sideways. Sometimes when putting it on or taking it off the stand the bars will go 100 degrees. From the looks of the picture I posted, looks like the 2008 B12 "stop" is indeed the front brake calipers. I've kown about this for a long time but I dind't know it was a B12 thing. Ever since I found this out, I'm very careful to not let the bars go past about 80 degrees left/right.
~Mike Ahh, that might be. Even slapping my handlebars around I cannot get my calipers to touch the frame. |
| 2009-09-01 8:58 PM in reply to: #2383539 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW Is it just my imagination or did this thread get moved off the Triathlon Talk board?
~Mike |
| 2009-09-02 11:05 AM in reply to: #2383962 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW Rogillio - 2009-09-01 6:58 PM Nope, not your imagination. I was looking for it this morning, I had to look up Varneys statistics to find the thread. :DIs it just my imagination or did this thread get moved off the Triathlon Talk board?
~Mike John |
| 2009-09-02 11:26 AM in reply to: #2384944 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW tkd.teacher - 2009-09-02 11:05 AM Rogillio - 2009-09-01 6:58 PM Nope, not your imagination. I was looking for it this morning, I had to look up Varneys statistics to find the thread. :DIs it just my imagination or did this thread get moved off the Triathlon Talk board?
~Mike John
I've never posted here before...till now. I guess our moderators thought this was specific to a particular bike and not applicable or of interest to triathletes in general. I'm actually curious now if this is an issue with other bikes or if this truly is a B12 issue?! ~Mike |
| 2009-09-02 4:08 PM in reply to: #2383539 |
Expert 1186 North Cackalacky | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW I have a 2009 B16. No issues like this at all. |
| 2009-09-02 6:18 PM in reply to: #2383539 |
Master 1376 Chicago | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW My 2008 B12 does this as well, I had to move the handlebars to get it in that position. I'm just careful with it when I put it in the car or carry it. The obvious solution is take off the front tire when you put it in the car and be careful with it. It sounds like it has been resolved for their newer models. |
| 2009-09-03 12:56 AM in reply to: #2383539 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW Just wrap an old towel around the frame to prevent it from rubbing. I seriously do not see this as a design problem... you wanted and aerodynamic frame right? This is part of it... you can't have your cake and eat it too... sorry. |
| 2009-09-04 1:49 PM in reply to: #2383539 |
| Member 17 wpb | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW I am amazed at all the responses. Thanks. While all the tips are good, it happens on two occasions: 1. when I take the wheel off and put the bike in the back seat. yes, the handlebars get turned 180 degress, but I should be able to do this for fear of not chipping the bike. 2. Sometimes I run with bike if entry to transition is congested. Allows me to get around people. Wheel turns and the brake mechanism hits the frame. it is not the end of the world, but is indeed a poor design. I have had the bike 4 months and acutally just put it on Craigslsit if anybody wants it. Going with a new FUJI D6. Despite these minor issues, the bike is a great value. Paid $3,200 at Jtown bikes in April. Will take $2,250 right now. Felt may be giving me new forks since these ones have costmetic marks. Will know next week. [email protected] |
| 2009-09-04 1:50 PM in reply to: #2386475 |
| Member 17 wpb | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW No other bike I tested has this issue when turning the handlebars. FUJI D6 = Cake and eat too. |
| 2009-09-04 1:52 PM in reply to: #2390126 |
| Member 17 wpb | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW 90 degress, not 180. Doh. |
| 2009-09-07 9:05 AM in reply to: #2390129 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW The Fuji does not sweep the downtube towards the front wheel, which means that you will not have this issue. Look, Felt and Willier has the sweep and could therefore have this problem (and they all do), but when do you ever turn the front 90 degrees? You can't ride like that. A towel over the frame when you're transporting it and you've solved the problem. You could argue if the sweep makes a difference or not, but that's a complete different story. Maybe it does make a difference, maybe not... The point I was trying to make was simply that when designing an aero frame, you will have to do compromises and in the case of the Felt, this might have been one. Edited by audiojan 2009-09-07 9:06 AM |
| 2009-09-07 12:52 PM in reply to: #2383539 |
| Member 17 wpb | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW Thanks. Sold the bike this weekend. The guy who bought it put it on his bike rack and of course the front wheel turned 90 degrees and the fork hit the frame. I just had to laugh and give him a piece of rope to tie the wheel to the frame. Great bike. Well equipped. Sloppy fork design. Glad I sold it. Glad he got a decent deal too...nice guy. Edited by VarneyT 2009-09-07 12:53 PM |
| 2009-09-10 9:03 AM in reply to: #2393308 |
Veteran 302 Oak Park, IL | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW I have the 09' B16 and checked last night to see if it had the same issue. It did. I'm not really concerned about it because it's not often that the handlebars turn that far. As someone earlier said, I'll probably just put a towel around the frame when transporting it. Problem solved. |
| 2009-09-10 9:13 AM in reply to: #2383694 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: BUYER BEWARE 2009 FELT B12 DESIGN PROBLEMS REVIEW Rogillio - 2009-09-01 7:23 PM I also noticed small, oval clear stickers on the fork. They didn't seem to serve any funtion so I took them off.
I have had those on my Specilaized. Hmmm...... |
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