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2009-09-26 11:43 AM

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Subject: Long run melt down
I hate bad long runs, they get me down mentally.  I usually sit around and stew, and question everything about my training.  To day I decided to unload on innocent BTers.

It started out OK, a little warm (78) but not bad.  I didn't sleep well last night so I got a late start, and didn't get out the door until 7:30.  I started feeling the heat at about mile 8, so I stopped and bought some ice water and pored it over me. I must have looked pretty bad because some guy stopped and asked if I was OK.  At this point I wasn't feeling bad just warm.  I kept my pace till mile 13, this is were I started the melt down.  I stopped and bought two waters and a cup of ice.  Most of that went on my head and down my shorts.  That kept me going for another mile, and that was it, the next 3 miles was a walk run.  By this time it was about 87deg, and even walking my back was burning up. 

Faults:
Ran to hard yesterday day.
Not enough sleep.
To hot.
To much of a wuss and not fit enough to handle 17 miles.

Thanks for listening.  No need to Post messages to validated this baby's wine fest.

2009-09-26 11:47 AM
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Hang in there man, we've all been there.  Next time shorten the run if you can't get out the door earlier.  Heat is a b!tch!
2009-09-26 11:51 AM
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Did you slow down your pace to start because it was so hot? How long was your previous long run?

Better to have bad run in training than racing. Are you doing IMFL? If so I hope to meet you down there...

Instead of saying you are a wuss, use what you figured out went wrong and how to avoid that going forward.
2009-09-26 11:59 AM
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really? 87 degrees is hot? sound great to me....now 99 and above I would consider hot. But anyways sometimes your body just shuts down and you can't do anything about it...you just need to stop. Sounds like you overheated towards end.. Make sure you drink enough during the day!
2009-09-26 1:13 PM
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couple of things.  

1) it's one run, don't sweat it

2) you listed the things that went wrong, on the next run you learn how to correct those things.

Look at my logs from 9/20 and 9/27 and you will see the difference in a bad long run of 19 miles and a good one of 20 miles.  the 19 mile run was fine, but the three hours afterwards were three of the worst I have had in a long time.  bad cramps.  It was nutrition issues.  I adjusted the next sunday and felt great.

I guess the bottom line is to not beat yourself up for more than 5 minutes.  Then think about the things thatwent wrong (looks like you already have) and then figure out how to correct them on the next long run.

2009-09-26 1:24 PM
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meblack - 2009-09-26 1:59 PM really? 87 degrees is hot? sound great to me....now 99 and above I would consider hot. But anyways sometimes your body just shuts down and you can't do anything about it...you just need to stop. Sounds like you overheated towards end.. Make sure you drink enough during the day!
I don't think I've ever even seen 99 degrees! I know I would melt.

  I look at those hard days when I ran despite being overtired, or sore, or the weather being lousy as an extra workout that I stole. Lots of people wouldn't do it, but I did, so its one I 'stole' from everybody else and puts me one up. I like that feeling.

    B. Madoff  


2009-09-26 2:08 PM
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spot - 2009-09-26 12:13 PM

 it's one run, don't sweat it



X2

I've had sucky long runs, but I never worry about them. I consider it a success if I've gone the distance. For me, the time it takes to do a long run is irrelevant. I save the speed for race day.

You got the distance completed. It may not have been pretty, but you did it. Just sticking it out is a mental boost. That sounds pretty hot too. Maybe you need to hydrate more in that kind of heat. Maybe pick a route that has some shade. Whatever! Give yourself some credit, you got it done.
2009-09-26 2:35 PM
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You don't mention hydration or nutrition.  Are you keepi9ng up with that on your runs and before you head out?

It gets very hot where I live.  You gotta stay ahead on hydration and nutrition or it will a long, hard day. 
2009-09-26 2:45 PM
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I live in FL too and when I run long I pay a lot of attention to the apparent temp is not just the air temp. Accuweather has their "RealFeel" algorithm that includes the effects of humidity, wind, sun loading/cloudiness, and more on the human body.

At 8am AW states that in PCB it felt like 87F, by 9am it felt like 98F and 10am like 106F.  Dude, it was hot out...


2009-09-26 2:56 PM
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Bumble Bee - 2009-09-26 2:35 PM

You don't mention hydration or nutrition.  Are you keepi9ng up with that on your runs and before you head out?

It gets very hot where I live.  You gotta stay ahead on hydration and nutrition or it will a long, hard day. 


Yeah, that seems to be a big part of the problem. You need a Fuel Belt or something with you to stay on top of hydration. You can't just keep stopping and buying cups of ice water!
2009-09-26 3:05 PM
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I bonked so hard on a long run once that I had a sleep mid way through it in the grass for about 30 mins. Then I walked home. It sucked!

2009-09-26 3:12 PM
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Donto - 2009-09-26 2:45 PM I live in FL too and when I run long I pay a lot of attention to the apparent temp is not just the air temp. Accuweather has their "RealFeel" algorithm that includes the effects of humidity, wind, sun loading/cloudiness, and more on the human body.

At 8am AW states that in PCB it felt like 87F, by 9am it felt like 98F and 10am like 106F.  Dude, it was hot out...




106F lucky I made it back.    I started getting a headache, and though I might be dehydrated, so I got on the scale and I had lost 4bls.  That's after drinking about 32oz when I got home.  Hard to believe, I drank 90 - 100oz while I was out.  
My last long run of 15 miles felt easy, but it was cooler and rained most of the time.  The temp is supposed to break Monday, so we will see how next weeks 18 goes.
2009-09-26 3:13 PM
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ENP - 2009-09-26 3:05 PM I bonked so hard on a long run once that I had a sleep mid way through it in the grass for about 30 mins. Then I walked home. It sucked!


Man,  that is harsh.
2009-09-26 3:34 PM
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Sometimes these things happen.  People will make the obvious assumption that it is due to hydration or nutrition, but it can be alot of things:  fatigue, stress, accumulated overtraining that's just catching up to you, or just the heat.  It sounds like my run last Saturday:  Went out to do 11.5 miles...hot out there (low 90s), but had my hydration belt.  Went out a bit fast but within my targeted range.  Felt good for 6 miles.  Then the wheels absolutely came off.  Pace dropped 15 sec/mile betw. mile 6 and mile 7 and I could tell I wasn't near the bottom.  Finished up a loop past my car...got to 1 hour...called it quits.  Not what I planned, but not worth beating myself up about.

Tomorrow I've got a 10 miler on tap and it should be 100F out...we'll see how that goes.
2009-09-26 4:25 PM
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Sorry about your bad run.  Some days it just happens for no reason at all, at least one we can figure it out.  They bum me out too. But I try to look at it as I have to have those bad runs to appreciate the good ones! 
2009-09-26 4:41 PM
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Seriously, it could be worse, alot worse.  I consider any run without an injury a good run.

I wasn't so lucky, got a sore achilles after my last run, now its a few days off best case scenario.

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