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2009-12-11 3:19 PM

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I am thinking about attempting an Ultra marathon and have no idea how to train for one. Are there any good training prgrams out there. I am aiming to do a 50 miler. Thanks in advance.


2009-12-11 4:02 PM
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Hal Higdon's site has a plan at the link below.

http://www.halhigdon.com/ultramarathon/ultramarathon2000.htm


There's also quite a bit of info at

http://www.ultrunr.com/ and http://www.run100s.com/

I'm thinking about a 50-miler this winter so I've been looking around at different sites for the last few weeks. Maybe I'd be better prepared with more running time and less internet time?
2009-12-11 4:14 PM
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You'll be alright with the sling?

2009-12-11 7:33 PM
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Run lots! 

What ultra are you looking to do?  McNaughton is April 10th. 

I ran it last year.  We'd do long runs starting at 3 hours and building to 7 Jan-Mar (the race was April 11th last year) with a 2 week "taper" (I was training for IMCdA, so I was riding and swimming a lot too, even during the taper).  A couple weekends, I'd run 12-16 miles on Saturday and another 8 on Sunday, otherwise, my long run was about 7 hours (28 miles or so).  I'd usually get in 2 short runs mid-week, so the training schedule was very heavy on the long run (50-70% of my weekly miles were the long run). 

For most people, it isn't practical to try to make your long run 70-80% of the ultra distance (like is typical with a marathon plan) but getting some decent miles a day after your long run or splitting your long run over two days works pretty well. 

2009-12-11 8:23 PM
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i know a few runners that like to plsit normal weekly milage like most runners would, just more. daily runs of 6-8 miles x2, one midweek longish run, and a long weekend run. milages based on what you are doing. i
2009-12-12 9:58 AM
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Is it a trail or a road run?  terrain makes all the difference on what muscles are used. 


2009-12-12 11:11 AM
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Buddha4 - 2009-12-12 9:58 AM

Is it a trail or a road run?  terrain makes all the difference on what muscles are used. 


It is a trail one next September in Kettle Morraine. So it is not an easy one either. Thanks for the advice I will look into it further.
2010-02-26 8:19 AM
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2010-02-26 1:05 PM
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I think if you have a few good long runs under your belt then you would be good to go on top of regular daily mileage.  You did an IM-I think you could easily do a 50 miler-it's a different exhaustion but you can push through.   I would try and run some hills bc the terrain will be more difficult than a road race.  Good Luck and have fun!

2010-02-27 7:53 AM
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SCamp07 - 2010-02-26 8:19 AM

Here is the plan I used:

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-244--12520-2-1-2,00.html


I was thinking this before I even read the article: Do some LONG trail run/walks in addition to running lots on the road. Pounding the pavement is good, but it's not the same experience.

Do not go into a trail-ultra thinking you're going to run the whole thing; very few people can. The key to success is proper pacing early in the day when you're fresh and eager to run, and knowing what it's going to feel like (physically & mentally) when you're 75% into your race.

If you've finished a couple of Marathons, you can do a 50K (31 miles) with no problems. Going up the 50-mile distance is big jump and stepping up to the line for a 100-miler is huge. Little issues and problems at 50 miles become really big problems at 70 & 80 miles.

Going from a 50-miler to a 100 is twice the distance, but it's 4 times harder.


BTW,
Subsequent reading on the subject has let me know that it is common for runners to not be successful at their first attempt at 100 miles; for some folks, it takes several tries. Now I don't feel so bad about my recent DNF.
2010-02-28 7:01 PM
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try to get a copy of the publication "Marathon and Beyond" Mar/Apr 2010. They talk about the "hardest" 100 miler. The Hurt 100 had a finish rate of 26 and the Heartland had a rate of 79. Just have to be realistic going out the first time.


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