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 2005-06-08 1:35 PM |
Pro  5153    Helena, MT |  Subject: Water jogging vs EllipticalFor us gimps, which is more effective running in the water with the belt dealie or using an elliptical machine? Also, when you're aquajogging, what the heck do you do to entertain yourself? How do you survive an LSD? |
| 2005-06-08 2:17 PM in reply to: #171219 |
Expert 1166 Colchester, CT | Subject: RE: Water jogging vs Elliptical LSD runs in the pool sure bring back some memories. I trained for 3 months in a pool (due to a stress reaction) in preparation for a marathon. I think the longest I ever went was about 90 min. What did I do to entertain myself? The same things I do on the road. Think about the day, work on problems that have vexing me at work, think about the upcoming race, then when that 15 min. is over, you get really bored Chris |
. Seriously there really isn't much you can do. I used to count the tiles on the bottom of the pool, practice for presentations at work, and check check out the eye candy if there was any. Good Luck with the rehab| 2005-06-08 2:51 PM in reply to: #171219 |
Veteran 267 Washington DC | Subject: RE: Water jogging vs Elliptical The elliptical will be a much greter workout. Oxygen consumption is far, far greater than running in the pool. My advice is" do shorter, specific workouts on the elliptical trainer and do your LSD workouts on the bike. Ken |
| 2005-06-08 3:00 PM in reply to: #171219 |
| Veteran 137 Littleton, NH | Subject: RE: Water jogging vs Elliptical If you don't use a belt and tread water with your arms in the air you'll get one heck of a workout. |
| 2005-06-08 3:04 PM in reply to: #171279 |
Pro 5153 Helena, MT | Subject: RE: Water jogging vs Elliptical KenMierke - 2005-06-08 12:51 PM The elliptical will be a much greter workout. Oxygen consumption is far, far greater than running in the pool. My advice is" do shorter, specific workouts on the elliptical trainer and do your LSD workouts on the bike. Ken Thanks for the advice, everyone. Ken, why does everyone recommend water running so much if this is the case? Is it just more similar in terms of muscle recruitment than an elliptical? I'm really concerned about bombing on the run. Running is already by far my weakest event and now I'm injured again! My only goal for this oly is to finish and not walk, but I'm even worried about that! LOL! |
| 2005-06-08 3:28 PM in reply to: #171219 |
Elite Veteran 777 flatland | Subject: RE: Water jogging vs Elliptical I am curious also about the elliptical advice. I have read that aquajogging can keep a close-to-pre-injury level of run fitness for up to...6? or was it 8? weeks post injury, whereas if you don't do run-specific training, you lose your run fitness in about 3 weeks. I assume they're talking about muscular fitness and speed, rather than cardio fitness which you can maintain by doing any number of things. I've also read things about aqua jogging being an awesome workout because of the resistance, etc etc. I tried my version of it (an exaggerated treading water, no belt, trying to mimc my run form) and was really tired within like 5 minutes. Of course, this was after a 2500 yd swim, but still..it was rough! Hope you recover soon, Kim, regardless of what you pick. Edited by madeye 2005-06-08 3:29 PM |
| 2005-06-08 3:29 PM in reply to: #171219 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Water jogging vs Elliptical Kim, I started aquajogging and my legs are starting to look and feel great! It has greatly improved my running without my body taking a beating. Sometimes I aquajog with the whitehairs and we chat, sometimes with a friend, and sometimes alone. The time goes quickly. I also started doing abs work in the water and that is awesome! |
| 2005-06-08 3:41 PM in reply to: #171333 |
Pro 5153 Helena, MT | Subject: RE: Water jogging vs Elliptical Renee, tell me more about your aqua-abs.... |
| 2005-06-08 11:24 PM in reply to: #171219 |
Expert 1238 Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: Water jogging vs Elliptical Maybe you should mix water running with actual swimming. When I water run and get sick of pretending to actually move, I just mix it up with a few laps of swimming. It definitely makes you feel like a strong swimmer, too. -d |
| 2005-06-09 9:12 AM in reply to: #171219 |
Extreme Veteran 391 Oregon | Subject: RE: Water jogging vs Elliptical Water jogging is much closer to actual running than the Elliptical. You can vary your pace in the pool, 5min hard, 5 min easy and get a good workout. When your jogging in the water, concentrate on the leg motion to make sure its actually like running. Its easy not to have the proper motion. Yes, it is boring. The most I've done is 40 min. If you have a water proof walkman or something like that it may help. I have heard of injured high school runners hitting the pool a month before a big race and coming out and winning the thing in the end without much running at all. Good luck, Randy |
| 2005-06-09 9:30 AM in reply to: #171346 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Water jogging vs Elliptical kimj81 - 2005-06-08 3:41 PM Renee, tell me more about your aqua-abs.... http://www.aquajogger.com/abstips.htm I did 10 sets of 10 per side (left and right) and didn't break a sweat. It was so easy! About 4 hours later, I was feeling it! I tried some double knee crunches but didn't quite get the hang of it. |
| 2005-06-09 1:51 PM in reply to: #171298 |
Veteran 267 Washington DC | Subject: RE: Water jogging vs Elliptical Water running is a traditional exercise for injured runners and, as you say, it duplicates the movements of running, though not the force requirements. For those who can't do anything weight-bearing, it is the best option. I've tested triathletes and found that oxygen consumption with very hard water running was only slightly higher than a brisk walk, but was only slightly lower than running when tested on an elliptical. Since the equipment to do this testing cost $20K, few athletes have access to this kind of data. There is a product called the Winged Water Walker that increases resistance on the hip extension without increasing resistance on the hip flexion. This allows the workload during the propulsive phase to be increased without reducing turnover. Another suggestion for when you can resume running ... take a hard look at your technique. Most runners use techniques that bypass our body's natural shock absorption system and rely solely (pardon the pun) on shoes for cushioning. The tissues in the arch of your foot, the achilles tendon, and your calf muscles are extrmely elastic and provide tremendous cushioning if used propoerly. Learn more about proper running technique in my book The Triathletes Guide to Run Training or the videeo that Joe Friel and I produced, Evolution Running: Run Faster with Fewer Injuries. Both are available at www.Fitness-Concepts.com Good luck! Ken |
| 2005-06-09 1:59 PM in reply to: #171931 |
Pro 5153 Helena, MT | Subject: RE: Water jogging vs Elliptical KenMierke - 2005-06-09 11:51 AM Most runners use techniques that bypass our body's natural shock absorption system and rely solely (pardon the pun) on shoes for cushioning. The tissues in the arch of your foot, the achilles tendon, and your calf muscles are extrmely elastic and provide tremendous cushioning if used propoerly. Learn more about proper running technique in my book The Triathletes Guide to Run Training or the videeo that Joe Friel and I produced, Evolution Running: Run Faster with Fewer Injuries. Both are available at www.Fitness-Concepts.com Good luck! Ken Thanks, Ken... When it heals up a little better, I'll try a combo of elliptical and water running. Right now even walking is painful, so I'm gonna stick to the water. I've incorporated ChiRunning into my running. Is this sort of what you're talking about? Or is this a different technique entirely? |
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