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 2010-02-02 12:10 PM in reply to: #2649995 |
Pro  3906     Libertyville, IL |  Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paperrockrunner - 2010-02-02 11:26 AM jszat - 2010-02-02 12:12 PM im guessing theres a pretty sweet pic on the internet of a bamboo bike from gilligans island out there but being at work, i probably shouldnt look for and post it. hmmm....rockrunner - 2010-02-02 11:09 AM jszat - 2010-02-02 12:05 PM This has me wondering what the barefoot running equivalent is to biking. I mean, no bike, no sport right? Sledding down a mountain on papyrus? If so sign me up. (its a joke proponents i barefoot! dowhatchalike!)Riding a unicycle maybe...how do I mount the aerobars though. I know the Barefoot Ted guy has talked about doing an ironman race on one of those high wheeler bikes from the 1800's, the kind with giant front wheel and one speed. Dang how bad would that feel if something like that passed you in a race. |
| 2010-02-02 12:12 PM in reply to: #2650069 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper ballyard7 - 2010-02-02 12:51 PM There may be some people out there that heel stike close to their cog, but i'm guessing the majority of people with injuries stide way out and hit on their heels. And I'm guessing that the majority of people with injuries don't train properly. If running barefoot gets people to slow down, and reduce volume, then build up properly, that's fantastic. I agree there are people out there for whom barefoot running will actually help in terms of biomechanic deficiencies. I disagree that most people injured are that way due to their shoes. |
| 2010-02-02 12:13 PM in reply to: #2650004 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper jsnowash - 2010-02-02 11:29 AM sheer awesomness.rockrunner - 2010-02-02 12:09 PM Maybe one of these???jszat - 2010-02-02 12:05 PM This has me wondering what the barefoot running equivalent is to biking. |
| 2010-02-02 12:14 PM in reply to: #2650060 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper DerekL - 2010-02-02 11:48 AM bryancd - 2010-02-02 11:40 AM Even if it did have some remarkable benefit, you could never train with any consistancy let alone race barefoot, so why bother? And yet some people do both. Why does that bother you? Based on what I have seen, a lot less than some people race without shoes. I don't know a single person who does this. It doesn't bother me in the least, I could care less, it just all seems silly as hardly anyone does it, so why is it a debate? Edited by bryancd 2010-02-02 12:15 PM |
| 2010-02-02 12:15 PM in reply to: #2650065 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper JorgeM - 2010-02-02 11:49 AM they could also hatchet out about a foot worth of spacers.jsnowash - 2010-02-02 11:29 AM I think those are my cousins; we need to work on their outfits because those aren't very aero.rockrunner - 2010-02-02 12:09 PM Maybe one of these???jszat - 2010-02-02 12:05 PM This has me wondering what the barefoot running equivalent is to biking. |
| 2010-02-02 12:31 PM in reply to: #2650163 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper bryancd - 2010-02-02 12:14 PM DerekL - 2010-02-02 11:48 AM Based on what I have seen, a lot less than some people race without shoes. I don't know a single person who does this. It doesn't bother me in the least, I could care less, it just all seems silly as hardly anyone does it, so why is it a debate?bryancd - 2010-02-02 11:40 AM Even if it did have some remarkable benefit, you could never train with any consistancy let alone race barefoot, so why bother? And yet some people do both. Why does that bother you? I know of at least one person around here who races in VFF. You say that you don't care, yet you call it silly. Because it's uncommon? |
| 2010-02-02 12:36 PM in reply to: #2650157 |
Expert 939 Tulsa | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper Scout7 - 2010-02-02 12:12 PM ballyard7 - 2010-02-02 12:51 PM There may be some people out there that heel stike close to their cog, but i'm guessing the majority of people with injuries stide way out and hit on their heels. And I'm guessing that the majority of people with injuries don't train properly. If running barefoot gets people to slow down, and reduce volume, then build up properly, that's fantastic. I agree there are people out there for whom barefoot running will actually help in terms of biomechanic deficiencies. I disagree that most people injured are that way due to their shoes. Very good point and I agree. There are a TON of people who ramp up their volume way to fast and that is why they get injured. But I also believe that a lot of shoes cause you to run different than you would naturally....aka without shoes. |
| 2010-02-02 12:43 PM in reply to: #2650210 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper DerekL - 2010-02-02 12:31 PM You say that you don't care, yet you call it silly. Because it's uncommon? No, the DEBATE is silly. It such an outlier and unlikely to be adopted in any meaningful way, what's the debate? If people want to run naked, have it, but it's hardly a widespread practice. Now, the impact on shoe design that seems to spring from thios is more interesting. |
| 2010-02-02 12:43 PM in reply to: #2650163 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper bryancd - 2010-02-02 1:14 PM DerekL - 2010-02-02 11:48 AM bryancd - 2010-02-02 11:40 AM Even if it did have some remarkable benefit, you could never train with any consistancy let alone race barefoot, so why bother? And yet some people do both. Why does that bother you? Based on what I have seen, a lot less than some people race without shoes. I don't know a single person who does this. It doesn't bother me in the least, I could care less, it just all seems silly as hardly anyone does it, so why is it a debate? I saw at least 3 people in VFF's at the Nation's Tri last fall. There were probably more since I was only running with a very small portion of the total number of people in the race. Granted, 3 out of a few hundred is still a pretty small fraction, but they're out there. I would guess you'll see more next season. I would love to try running barefoot in a Sprint race, and will probably give it a shot sometime this summer just for fun. I'm not fast with or without shoes, so it's not going to matter much one way or the other.... Bottom line is.... people can train however they want. I enjoy incorporating some barefoot running into my overall run training. I don't see myself totally switching over to all barefoot running, but I think, for me, there is some benefit to doing some barefoot runs, and besides, I enjoy the feeling. I don't feel the need to persuade anyone else to do it though. (edited to correct my lousy spelling.....) Edited by jsnowash 2010-02-02 12:45 PM |
| 2010-02-02 12:51 PM in reply to: #2649565 |
Veteran 249 Littleton, Colorado | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper Too many people are definitely looking at this as barefoot vs shod. Which is fairly impracticable. The debate as I see it is forefoot vs heel strike, which is a very important discussion for us to have. |
| 2010-02-02 12:51 PM in reply to: #2650253 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper bryancd - 2010-02-02 12:43 PM DerekL - 2010-02-02 12:31 PM You say that you don't care, yet you call it silly. Because it's uncommon? No, the DEBATE is silly. It such an outlier and unlikely to be adopted in any meaningful way, what's the debate? If people want to run naked, have it, but it's hardly a widespread practice. Now, the impact on shoe design that seems to spring from thios is more interesting.Ok, that makes more sense to me. |
| 2010-02-02 12:55 PM in reply to: #2650274 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper V1per41 - 2010-02-02 12:51 PM The debate as I see it is forefoot vs heel strike, which is a very important discussion for us to have. Haven't we had that debate enough? Where have you been?! LOL! |
| 2010-02-02 1:04 PM in reply to: #2650227 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper ballyard7 - 2010-02-02 1:36 PM Scout7 - 2010-02-02 12:12 PM ballyard7 - 2010-02-02 12:51 PM There may be some people out there that heel stike close to their cog, but i'm guessing the majority of people with injuries stide way out and hit on their heels. And I'm guessing that the majority of people with injuries don't train properly. If running barefoot gets people to slow down, and reduce volume, then build up properly, that's fantastic. I agree there are people out there for whom barefoot running will actually help in terms of biomechanic deficiencies. I disagree that most people injured are that way due to their shoes. Very good point and I agree. There are a TON of people who ramp up their volume way to fast and that is why they get injured. But I also believe that a lot of shoes cause you to run different than you would naturally....aka without shoes. Is your implication that running differently somehow causes problems? If so, then that's that. My personal experience is that the wearing of shoes provides no issue, and that most people probably won't have much issues wearing shoes either. If your experience is different, we can't really debate anything. You see the use of shoes as inherently problematic, I do not. |
| 2010-02-02 1:50 PM in reply to: #2650004 |
Expert 1121 Chicago | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper jsnowash - 2010-02-02 11:29 AM rockrunner - 2010-02-02 12:09 PM Maybe one of these???jszat - 2010-02-02 12:05 PM This has me wondering what the barefoot running equivalent is to biking. Seat's too . . . low. (flintstones_bicycle.jpg) Attachments ---------------- flintstones_bicycle.jpg (49KB - 4 downloads) |
| 2010-02-02 8:27 PM in reply to: #2649565 |
Master 2404 Redlands, CA | Subject: RE: Barefoot running mechanics paper My favorite thing about the barefoot movement is when people bring up that some guy won a gold medal in the Marathon while running barefoot. That's pretty cool, but they omit the fact the last 11 have been run with guys who had shoes on, as if that's not the point. |
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