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  2010-03-01 3:54 PM |
 Subject: ...This user's post has been ignored. Edited by UrsusAdiposimus 2010-03-01 3:55 PM |
| 2010-03-01 3:57 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
Veteran 389   sacramento, Colorado | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! What kind of moron would recommend that? Would they also recommend that if you live and train in a nice place with great scenery that you move somewhere boring so that if you race in a boring place you'll be used to it? Getting through training is tough...whatever you can do to make it easier mentally you should do...like you say you aren't going to be bored in your race. |
| 2010-03-01 4:00 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! yea, I don't get that logic either. not until the ipod did I ever run with music...it was just too bulky! now sometimes I run with music sometimes without. for me not so much because of boredom but because I get annoyed with the noise of traffic. I can't say the music makes the run any more enjoayable for me. In fact, I often shut off the tunes when/if I get on a quite path. |
| 2010-03-01 4:02 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
Champion 11989   Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! I don't get bored, but it can be monotonous and it is important to be ready to deal with that. I do believe in training like you race so you should be able to do long runs sans music, and do long rides alone. I run w/o music about 50% of the time, but I almost never have it on long runs. That's more about pacing for me. I run too fast when a good song comes on  For riding, I have never done a group ride and don't intend to. I've never seen the need. |
| 2010-03-01 4:14 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Veteran 549 | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! I have run and done tri's a total of 15years and I dont believe I have ever listened to music once. |
| 2010-03-01 4:16 PM in reply to: #2700753 |
| Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! I train with music almost exclusively... THEN did a 15 hour IM and never missed it, not for a second... If I go out for a 5-6 ride, and my ipod craps out after 60 minutes, I never miss it the last 4 hours. It's there or it's not. It makes no difference and I don't think you can become "dependent on it". Same goes for group rides. |
| 2010-03-01 4:17 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Extreme Veteran 837 Wellesley, Massachusetts | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! I don't listen to music on long runs for a couple of reasons. One is safety. I run on busier roads and I need to be alert. The second is that I don't want to become dependent on the music to push me along. I won't have it in a race so why train with it? That tends to be my personal philosophy- not because I'll be bored in a race. How could I ever be bored with people singing along to their ipods, spitting/blowing snot rockets, huffing and puffing, stomping/dragging/shuffling their feet and/or having earth shattering conversations with their running partner? And if there happens to be spectators, I like to hear some cowbell |
| 2010-03-01 4:20 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| New user 50 | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! Yeah I agree with the OP. When I train for marathons, I usually listen to my ipod for runs of 18+ miles. Never once have I wished I had it during an actual race. |
| 2010-03-01 4:22 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Veteran 812 | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! I won't call exercise necessarily "boring". But I do think that it's just more enjoyable with music. You enjoy music, right? Running with music just doubles the fun. :-) |
| 2010-03-01 4:30 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Veteran 169 Oak Park, Il (Chicagoland) | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! I rarely train with music, but that has NOTHING to do with improving my "willpower" or increasing my "boredom tolerance". I find wearing earbuds annoying while running or biking. I do think biking with earbuds that block all other sounds is dangerous as I can't hear cars till they are on top of me. I also don't listen to music at work because I find it interferes with my concentration. I have never been bored running/biking outside. If someone wanted to improve their "boredom tolerance" they should do it in a white room with no noises and do no activities. I don't see how not listening to music while exercising improves any mental aspect. |
| 2010-03-01 4:30 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Veteran 185 St. Cloud, MN | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! Boy, I enjoy having music along when training. On the marathons and other races I've done (all without it) I haven't missed it a bit. The music threads here remind me of religion. Some people feel it very important that others are the same as them. Some kind of insecurity I guess. |
| 2010-03-01 4:31 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
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| 2010-03-01 4:32 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Member 47 | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! The reason I don't train with music is because I like to be aware of what's going on around me. Where I train people aren't used to people riding bikes and running on the streets. So I like to used my sense of hearing to avoid any complications or bad situations!! Although, one could argue that one of the "rules" in triathlon is: *Don't do anything new on raceday that you haven't done during training!! |
| 2010-03-01 4:33 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Veteran 139 Metairie | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! I do find that keeping my running pace high is easier with music. For that reason, I try to use it in a sparing fashion. I don't want to get used to it, because I want to be able to hold tempo without it. On nights when I really am just not feeling like getting out there at all, then I will put the MP3 player on and its novelty helps me drag through. I use it on treadmill to help with monotony as well. I am scared of using it on the bike, I have already nearly killed myself enough with full use of my senses. No need to handicap my dumb extra. |
| 2010-03-01 4:34 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Extreme Veteran 532 South Park, PA | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! I'm with you. While I have never trained with music, I see your point. My training time is also my time to get away from the noise of life, that is why I don't. I don't see why doing long rides with a few friends would be any different than a race, other than that my friends don't draft off me (when doing 'tri rides'), cut me off when they pass me, pass on the right, or litter. If I 'had' to do a 2000 m swim in training, I think I would stop swimming. |
| 2010-03-01 4:37 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Master 2301 Rogersville, Alabama | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! UrsusAdiposimus - 2010-03-01 3:54 PM I never understand the logic when people say things like you shouldn't listen to music on long runs because then you might not be able to deal with the boredom when you're not allowed to listen to music during the race. I also sometimes hear people saying you should avoid social group rides for the same reason (have to get used to the long, boring 56 or 112-mile bike), or do a straight 2,000+ yard swim each week to get used to the boredom of having to do it in a race. I don't know about you, but I have experienced many, many emotions during my races. Boredom is definitely not one of them. I have never felt bored during any portion of any race. Swimming 2,112 yards in a lake/river/bay/ocean while being simultaneously kicked in the face by 2,000 people is anything but boring. Who's with me!? I totally agree with you. Racing is why I train. |
| 2010-03-01 4:38 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Expert 2180 Boise, Idaho | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! A simple...BS! should do. |
| 2010-03-01 4:39 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Extreme Veteran 441 Roswell, GA | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! I wore an ipod for about 90% of my pre-IM runs and about 80% of my rides on a rails-to-trail. I just helped pass the time. During the race I didn't miss having it on the bike because we were on a public road and I would not have felt comfortable wearing it then. I didn't miss it on the run because there were so many athletes/volunteers/spectators that people watching kept me entertained. I am quite confident that listening to music did not hamper my training nor did it impact my race performance. It just made the long hours of training a little more enjoyable. |
| 2010-03-01 4:49 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Expert 973 Berkeley, Calif. | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! I'll call 99 percent BS. If you do *all* of your training runs with music and *all* of your biking in group rides -- to the point where you literally have never done a training run or bike alone, without music -- then sure, I can see the benefit of doing each of those things once, if only to reassure yourself. For example, I used to always run with music while training. When I got close to doing my first tri, I started freaking out a little about missing music during the race. I did one training run without music, realized it was no big deal, and felt much better about that aspect of the race. So I do think there is some very small benefit to "training like you race" when it comes to these things. But really, for the most part: total BS. |
| 2010-03-01 4:53 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! Meh. I understand the rationales people have for listening to music while training. Personally I've never been interested in doing so, but to each his/her own. I do draw the line on people who insist on wearing a pair of earbuds in localities where they are illegal on a bike on the roads...which is probably more places than a lot of people realize. Something I noticed yesterday when I spectated at a 10K for the first time (my wife was racing and I was sitting it out...usually we're both racing): I knew a number of people in the race and yelled out their names and encouragement about 1/4 mile before the finish. About 1/3 of them appeared not to hear me. Yup...those people had earbuds in. |
| 2010-03-01 5:07 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Expert 1116 Thornton, CO | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! I'll try to avoid starting a 'ipod vs no ipod' debate ;-) .. but I bet this thread turns in to that at some point I doubt running with one would cause you to ever be bored during a race. I just couldn't see that happening in a race situation. I could see how someone might get bored running 10-20miles every day alone though, but a race has a much different atmosphere. With that said... I never run or bike with music. Personally I prefer the solitude that comes from running/biking without music. Training is a time that I work on my focus, my technique, and if it's an easy day I just think. I found music actually distracted me of all that and I felt like it took the things I personally loved about running away a little. Now... I guess we'll see if I end up with the reverse effect the first time I run a Rock N Roll Marathon. :-) |
| 2010-03-01 5:09 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! I listen to podcasts almost exclusively when I run and bike train, except when I am in the mood for some ABBA. I do 95% of all my training alone, I have one buddy who can ride with me and we go out together once per week. I seem to race ok. |
| 2010-03-01 5:16 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! BS that you should "NEVER" train with music or with a group...or the "boredom" factor. But IMO you should train in race like conditions once in a while. Not so much without music...but without the group...you gotta know what pace you can hold without drafting...and you gotta know what pace you can hold swimming a continous distance...and also swimming a distance without constant flip turns. |
| 2010-03-01 5:27 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! I run with music almost all the time - because I hate to run, and need to distract myself from how much I hate it. In races, I haven't really missed it, since, as the OP says, there is a lot of other stuff going on. I've never really bought into the "train like your race" philosphy - how many threads have there been complaining about the pool etiquitte issues (crowding the lane, wearing cologne, etc)? But then we jump into a disgusting lake with a hundred other people crashing and banging into us? And I don't know about you guys, but I never seem to have someone handing me bottles on the fly when I go for a training ride. Or cheering and calling my name when I go for a run. |
| 2010-03-01 5:44 PM in reply to: #2700713 |
| Elite 2998 Fishers, Indiana | Subject: RE: Help me call BS on this one! When I run, I listen to music on my iPod unless I happen to be running with friends, and then I don't. I have only raced a running race with the iPod once, and didn't really care for it all. In a race, I feed off my competitors, I feed of people cheering, I feed off the scenery, and I feed of the fact that I am competing and there is a finish line I must get to as quickly as possible. I've never missed my iPod in a race. In my training, my iPod is essentially a training partner--if I have a live one, I don't need one, in a race, there is plenty to fill that role. I don't ride with my iPod. I do most of my training alone. |
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