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2010-07-14 2:22 PM
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Maybe this new sandwich at Friendly's (target audience kids!) is part of it?




2010-07-14 2:41 PM
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colesdad - 2010-07-14 3:22 PM Maybe this new sandwich at Friendly's (target audience kids!) is part of it?


According to the website (I had to check), this is only 1500 calories with fries included it that.  While that is high, I don't think it is as high as many other menu items at various restaurants.

I just want to know who would actually eat that.  It looks gross!
2010-07-14 3:07 PM
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Ok.. I'll admit.. the grilled cheese sammiches with the burger in between looks good.  Wouldn't eat it, but looks tasty
2010-07-14 3:18 PM
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CitySky - 2010-07-14 1:08 PM Just for the record, I eat some variant of the legume-plus-veggie combo more days than not.

* black bean soup with cumin & cilantro
* chickpea curry
* white bean "green chile" chili with tomatillos & chopped green apple
* pinto beans + plantain stew with Jamaican curry powder

etc.

NFPFO.  Not For Poor Folk Only.  Of course, I blow any savings on chocolate and coffee. 


You must do a lot of other BLOWING with all those beans! Innocent
2010-07-14 3:43 PM
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phoenixazul - 2010-07-14 11:51 AM I know a lot of you are suburb dwellers...tell me if this is just a Pittsburgh thing then? My parents live in a little municipality just outside the city, and it seems like the bloody place has a vendetta against sidewalks! There's really no sidewalk, it goes driveway, street. If you want to walk somewhere, you walk on the street, regardless if it is residential or commercial (and there are both in the neighborhood, a little shopping plaza with a grocery store and some offices and a pharmacy). It really isn't safe, for a variety of reasons including speed of drivers, bad sight lines, and general aggression towards pedestrians. It is no wonder people don't walk in these places, you could end up dead! When I lived in the UK, I walked everywhere. It was really the most convenient. The library, the shops, my uni, the bus stops, the train station, even the town centre and my diabetes specialist were easy to access by walking. With sidewalks. And pedestrian lights. I think we need to focus on building communities in which people can have their needs met. If you had a green grocer around the corner from your house, would you really drive to Kroger? If you could see your GP three blocks away, wouldn't you rather walk there? If you could live closer to work, would you?


One of the items that was near the top of our list buying a house was sidewalks. Many of the suburbs around Portland have no sidewalks at all. All streets are built for cars, and few go through. So if you want to walk to the little grocery a block west as the crow flies, it is actually about 7 or 8 blocks to go north to the street that connects to the street that goes south to the store. Crazy. I like walking or biking. I don't like waiting for public transit. It's sortof a catch-22 though. If more people rode, they'd have more frequent service. More people would ride if they had more frequent service.
2010-07-14 3:58 PM
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has anyone seen deep fried butter?

I mean...wouldn't the butter just melt?



2010-07-14 4:01 PM
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phoenixazul - 2010-07-14 1:51 PM I know a lot of you are suburb dwellers...tell me if this is just a Pittsburgh thing then? My parents live in a little municipality just outside the city, and it seems like the bloody place has a vendetta against sidewalks! There's really no sidewalk, it goes driveway, street. If you want to walk somewhere, you walk on the street, regardless if it is residential or commercial (and there are both in the neighborhood, a little shopping plaza with a grocery store and some offices and a pharmacy). It really isn't safe, for a variety of reasons including speed of drivers, bad sight lines, and general aggression towards pedestrians. It is no wonder people don't walk in these places, you could end up dead! When I lived in the UK, I walked everywhere. It was really the most convenient. The library, the shops, my uni, the bus stops, the train station, even the town centre and my diabetes specialist were easy to access by walking. With sidewalks. And pedestrian lights. I think we need to focus on building communities in which people can have their needs met. If you had a green grocer around the corner from your house, would you really drive to Kroger? If you could see your GP three blocks away, wouldn't you rather walk there? If you could live closer to work, would you?


 I think it's a newer housing area thing.   Before I moved to DFW, i walked most of the time.  when I got to DFW I kept asking my sister why there were no sidewalks so I could walk to the store, etc. 

people keep moving away from the City type areas, out to the burbs so they are already driving everywhere...  My opinion only
2010-07-14 4:40 PM
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phoenixazul - 2010-07-14 11:51 AM I know a lot of you are suburb dwellers...tell me if this is just a Pittsburgh thing then? My parents live in a little municipality just outside the city, and it seems like the bloody place has a vendetta against sidewalks! There's really no sidewalk, it goes driveway, street. If you want to walk somewhere, you walk on the street, regardless if it is residential or commercial (and there are both in the neighborhood, a little shopping plaza with a grocery store and some offices and a pharmacy). It really isn't safe, for a variety of reasons including speed of drivers, bad sight lines, and general aggression towards pedestrians. It is no wonder people don't walk in these places, you could end up dead! When I lived in the UK, I walked everywhere. It was really the most convenient. The library, the shops, my uni, the bus stops, the train station, even the town centre and my diabetes specialist were easy to access by walking. With sidewalks. And pedestrian lights. I think we need to focus on building communities in which people can have their needs met. If you had a green grocer around the corner from your house, would you really drive to Kroger? If you could see your GP three blocks away, wouldn't you rather walk there? If you could live closer to work, would you?


When we go visit my folks in Louisiana, we have to run in the street. Fortunately, their subdivision is pretty quiet, so it's fairly safe. But the main road outside their neighborhood is crazy. No way would I even think of RIDING on that, and I'm a pretty aggressive rider. I wouldn't walk or run on it.

The first time I went to visit, I kept feeling there was something weird about the place that I couldn't quite put my finger on. It wasn't until I returned home and noticed people walking on sidewalks around here.

Sonoma County has a pretty effect Bikes and Pedestrian Coalition, and a lot of the latest roadwork around the area have been to make existing roads more bike and ped friendly. It's pretty nice. But I know I spoiled.
2010-07-14 4:57 PM
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phoenixazul - 2010-07-14 2:51 PM I know a lot of you are suburb dwellers...tell me if this is just a Pittsburgh thing then? My parents live in a little municipality just outside the city, and it seems like the bloody place has a vendetta against sidewalks! There's really no sidewalk, it goes driveway, street. If you want to walk somewhere, you walk on the street, regardless if it is residential or commercial (and there are both in the neighborhood, a little shopping plaza with a grocery store and some offices and a pharmacy). It really isn't safe, for a variety of reasons including speed of drivers, bad sight lines, and general aggression towards pedestrians. It is no wonder people don't walk in these places, you could end up dead! When I lived in the UK, I walked everywhere. It was really the most convenient. The library, the shops, my uni, the bus stops, the train station, even the town centre and my diabetes specialist were easy to access by walking. With sidewalks. And pedestrian lights. I think we need to focus on building communities in which people can have their needs met. If you had a green grocer around the corner from your house, would you really drive to Kroger? If you could see your GP three blocks away, wouldn't you rather walk there? If you could live closer to work, would you?


It depends on the suburb.  I grew up in the South Hills of Pittsburgh and had sidewalks.  In my school district everybody walked, nobody was bussed.
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phoenixazul - 2010-07-14 2:51 PM I know a lot of you are suburb dwellers...tell me if this is just a Pittsburgh thing then? My parents live in a little municipality just outside the city, and it seems like the bloody place has a vendetta against sidewalks! There's really no sidewalk, it goes driveway, street. If you want to walk somewhere, you walk on the street, regardless if it is residential or commercial (and there are both in the neighborhood, a little shopping plaza with a grocery store and some offices and a pharmacy). It really isn't safe, for a variety of reasons including speed of drivers, bad sight lines, and general aggression towards pedestrians. It is no wonder people don't walk in these places, you could end up dead! When I lived in the UK, I walked everywhere. It was really the most convenient. The library, the shops, my uni, the bus stops, the train station, even the town centre and my diabetes specialist were easy to access by walking. With sidewalks. And pedestrian lights. I think we need to focus on building communities in which people can have their needs met. If you had a green grocer around the corner from your house, would you really drive to Kroger? If you could see your GP three blocks away, wouldn't you rather walk there? If you could live closer to work, would you?



I was just watching a special documentary on this very subject on PBS.  The fellow pointed out that it's all about smart planning. 
They didn't make the connection in the show, but if you think about it, what's more American than independent builders building homes wherever and however they wish? 
The British communities actually had smart planning to set aside lots of land for no development.  Residents actually walked and rode through their communities and used public transit.  They had/have open, undeveloped natural areas close to residential areas (both suburban and urban
Interesting stuff. 

btw, the next time you're at the grocery store, take a peek down the ice cream aisle.  Note the size of the individuals shopping in that aisle.  If your store is anything like mine, those shoppers on average are noticeably larger than the average shoppers.  It comes down to choices.  Bad, bad choices.
2010-07-14 8:45 PM
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Man Vs Food did an episode that included that diner.  I think it's in Alaska. 

The show makes me sick cause of the enormous portions the guy eats. 

Only in America do we celebrate gluttony with its own tv show.



2010-07-14 9:37 PM
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QueenZipp - 2010-07-14 8:45 PM

Man Vs Food did an episode that included that diner.  I think it's in Alaska. 

The show makes me sick cause of the enormous portions the guy eats. 

Only in America do we celebrate gluttony with its own tv show.

yeah, I turn the channel when that comes on.    We love Anthony  Bordain and the chubby guy, though! 

2010-07-14 10:07 PM
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Ok, my 2 cents

1. Lot of people don't know how to cook healthy and microwaving processed stuff is easier than putting in the effort to learn, although IMO making healthier meals is easy once you get the hang of it, but does require a little more effort & organization.

2. School lunches & breakfast. A lot of our kids eat the majority of their meals at school and it's not so great (speaking from my experience in my school district)

3. Lots of eating out and an unawareness of how many calories there really are in those entrees (Only 1500? I hope that was a joke)

4. Huge portion sizes.

5. Inactivity/more sedentary lifestyles

6. Eating for entertainment (going out to dinner, Food Network, etc)

7. Not making one's health a top priority
 
2010-07-15 7:06 AM
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tri808 - 2010-07-14 4:58 PM

has anyone seen deep fried butter?

I mean...wouldn't the butter just melt?




They deep freeze the butter so it won't melt.  Makes me queasy just thinking about it.  *shudder*

And I should add that Americans are getting fatter for a number of reasons. Laziness, suburban sprawl, convenience of drive thrus and fast food.  Also, "lack" of time to eat properly or focus on staying healthy. 

This may sound mean, but my mom wears her diabetes like a badge of courage.  She manages it pretty well, but she could lose 30 lbs. and put herself in a better situation. Not to mention she could stop smoking and not eat chinese food every time she and my dad don't feel like cooking.  In all, it's called self-control and caring about yourself enough so that you stay healthy for you and your family.  (whoa- sorry for the mini-vent there). 

Most people want to take the easy road out.  And kids these days are fat for all of the reasons listed above and because of fear.  Nancy Grace makes every parent in America (that watches her show) think that their kid will be abducted so these kids spend their days inside playing Wii instead of going outside and developing themselves physically and emotionally by playing with others.

Glad I got that off my chest!

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2010-07-15 11:00 AM
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We had the opportunity to go to a presentation based on the book The Culprit and The Cure here at work yesterday.  While I knew most of the info it was a good thing to see as it re-energizes my quest to be healthier.  One of the stats mentioned shocked me.  In 1990 no states that participated in the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System had an obesity rate of more than 15%.  In 2008 only 1 state (GO COLORADO!) had an obesity rate under 20% and 32 states had rates above 25% and 6 had rates above 30%.  Between portion sizes, less daily activity just to live (driving cars more, sitting at desks for work) and screen time (tv, computers) we've set ourself up to be a nation of obese people.  I battle it every day (I'm overweight but I'm also more fit than many of my skinny friends) but so many don't care to even battle or don't know where to start. 
2010-07-15 11:20 AM
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QueenZipp - 2010-07-14 8:45 PM

Man Vs Food did an episode that included that diner.  I think it's in Alaska. 

The show makes me sick cause of the enormous portions the guy eats. 

Only in America do we celebrate gluttony with its own tv show.



That show makes me want to eat everywhere he's ever been.


2010-07-15 12:32 PM
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phoenixazul - 2010-07-14 2:51 PM I know a lot of you are suburb dwellers...tell me if this is just a Pittsburgh thing then? My parents live in a little municipality just outside the city, and it seems like the bloody place has a vendetta against sidewalks! There's really no sidewalk, it goes driveway, street. If you want to walk somewhere, you walk on the street, regardless if it is residential or commercial (and there are both in the neighborhood, a little shopping plaza with a grocery store and some offices and a pharmacy). It really isn't safe, for a variety of reasons including speed of drivers, bad sight lines, and general aggression towards pedestrians. It is no wonder people don't walk in these places, you could end up dead! When I lived in the UK, I walked everywhere. It was really the most convenient. The library, the shops, my uni, the bus stops, the train station, even the town centre and my diabetes specialist were easy to access by walking. With sidewalks. And pedestrian lights. I think we need to focus on building communities in which people can have their needs met. If you had a green grocer around the corner from your house, would you really drive to Kroger? If you could see your GP three blocks away, wouldn't you rather walk there? If you could live closer to work, would you?


There are lots of sidewalks in Pittsburgh.  I walked and rode buses everywhere for 5 years there.

I have read that a lot of developers don't put in sidewalks because of cost and homeowners don't want them because of maintenance - you are required to keep your sidewalk clear and safe, and if a tree root breaks it up or something, you (in theory) have to repair it.  It's easier to not have them.  When I lived in Florida, NONE of the new developments had sidewalks, but the older ones did.  Here in SE VA, there seems to be no sidewalks anywhere.
2010-07-15 12:43 PM
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meherczeg - 2010-07-15 1:32 PM

There are lots of sidewalks in Pittsburgh.  I walked and rode buses everywhere for 5 years there.

I have read that a lot of developers don't put in sidewalks because of cost and homeowners don't want them because of maintenance - you are required to keep your sidewalk clear and safe, and if a tree root breaks it up or something, you (in theory) have to repair it.  It's easier to not have them.  When I lived in Florida, NONE of the new developments had sidewalks, but the older ones did.  Here in SE VA, there seems to be no sidewalks anywhere.


My mother lives in Norfolk - there are plenty of sidewalks around her.  Whenever I visit, I have the flattest 5 mile runs.  Much faster than the hills in here PA.
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Bigfuzzydoug - 2010-07-13 5:45 PM Seriously... why?  It couldn't be because of something like this, could it?  I mean does anyone see anything wrong with this?



Only in America...  Yell


I agree, we should ban all private restaurants and have only government owned ones with free food so everyone can get 3 well balanced meals a day. This is United States, it's un-American that people should have to pay for food!!!

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gearboy - 2010-07-15 1:43 PM
meherczeg - 2010-07-15 1:32 PM

There are lots of sidewalks in Pittsburgh.  I walked and rode buses everywhere for 5 years there.

I have read that a lot of developers don't put in sidewalks because of cost and homeowners don't want them because of maintenance - you are required to keep your sidewalk clear and safe, and if a tree root breaks it up or something, you (in theory) have to repair it.  It's easier to not have them.  When I lived in Florida, NONE of the new developments had sidewalks, but the older ones did.  Here in SE VA, there seems to be no sidewalks anywhere.


My mother lives in Norfolk - there are plenty of sidewalks around her.  Whenever I visit, I have the flattest 5 mile runs.  Much faster than the hills in here PA.


That is ALL THE WAY on the other side of the bridge, are you kidding me!!????  But yes, it's VERY flat.

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tri808 - 2010-07-14 3:58 PM

has anyone seen deep fried butter?

I mean...wouldn't the butter just melt?



yes.  along with
deep fried ice cream.
DF Twinkies
DF oreos
DF nutter butters
DF Pecan Pie
DF Peaches & Cream
DF green goblins (like stuffed jalapenos, but diferent)

Come to the Texas State Fair, they serve "heart attack on a stick" at every corner.
2010-07-19 10:18 AM
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Another factor is the way companies have engineered junk and fast food with the combinations of salty, fatty, and sweet that are most appealing, soothing, and addictive to the human brain (read the End of Overeating by David Kessler).  If you are completely stressed out about not having a job, and have kids screaming all around you, and you can't really think about next week, let alone how your health will be in 20 years, are you going to pick the lentils, or the Big Mac?

 

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momandmd - 2010-07-19 11:18 AM

Another factor is the way companies have engineered junk and fast food with the combinations of salty, fatty, and sweet that are most appealing, soothing, and addictive to the human brain (read the End of Overeating by David Kessler).  If you are completely stressed out about not having a job, and have kids screaming all around you, and you can't really think about next week, let alone how your health will be in 20 years, are you going to pick the lentils, or the Big Mac?



I watched Food, Inc. while doing a 90 min treadmill run last night.  You pretty much summed up the point of that documentary.  The most disturbing to me may have been the solution to E. Coli in hamburger being ammonia treated filler.  <gag>

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