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Subject: train by time or distance?
i am a marathoner doing research on training for my first IM--IMCOZ 2011.  i read an iron-training book tonight that says you should ALWAYS train by time and not distance.  i have also read this for marathon-only training before, and i just don't get it.  
for short swims/bikes/runs i get it, but i don't understand it for the long runs/rides.  here's why:

if i am a 3:00 marathoner and my training plan says to run 3 hours i will run 22+ miles during that training.
but if i am a 4:30 marathoner and my training plan says to run 3 hours i will run 16-ish miles during that training.  so for the slower athlete, which i am, i would never run/bike close to 112 or 26.2.  it seems this would NOT prepare me for the 140 distance.  

i am sure there is reason for this but i have not heard this issue addressed of the slower athlete not getting in enough actual miles in the long runs/rides.

so...do you do long runs/rides by time or distance?  why?

thanks for the help! 


2010-07-25 12:33 PM
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I train by distance because when you race a triathlon you complete a specific distance, not complete a time. But to each their own!
2010-07-25 12:40 PM
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Subject: RE: train by time or distance?
cbccard - 2010-07-24 10:38 PM

so...do you do long runs/rides by time or distance?  why?

thanks for the help! 


Time. Because that's what the training plan I use calls for. Use what works for you.
2010-07-25 2:36 PM
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I tend to rely on the training plan I've selected.....some are in miles and some are time based. From my perspective, the units really don't matter, as long as you're consistent. The training is all about the gradual build-up and adaptation. Keep in mind the recovery time needed vs. incremental benefits of longer duration training. One school of thought seems to be that the additional wear, tear, fatigue, and recovery time from 3+ hour runs are not sufficient to justify the "small" fitness gains from those runs, compared to runs between 2 & 3 hours.

Another related issue is that most triathlon plans tend to make their long run a percentage of total run volume for a given week. The plan I'm using usually makes the long run about 1/3 of my weekly volume. So, that would mean I'd need 9-hours of running to support a 3-hour long run. That probably works for a 25-hour training week, but not many of us have that much time available for training.

I think what it boils down to is using the time you have most effectively, and limiting your injury exposure.

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2010-08-12 5:51 PM
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I used a training plan that relied on time for my first HIM and while it worked, I would have rather used a plan geared toward distance.  I have now switched to a distance program for my CdA in 2011.   Just something about training with distance makes me feel a bit more comfortable.  To each there own though
2010-08-12 6:11 PM
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Subject: RE: train by time or distance?
Distance.

Occasionally might plan a swim around a certain duration, maybe a ride, but even then I usually translate the target time into a distance at an anticipated effort/pace.


2010-08-12 6:23 PM
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I have an excel spreadsheet that converts my distances into times based on averages, so I get the best of both worlds.  Time is the best way, as you're body adapts to use by time not mileage. 

However I use distance because I'm used to it.

2010-08-12 6:35 PM
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2010-08-12 9:11 PM
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Both.  Depends on the workout:

Swims are always by distance.

Cycling  and running are almost always by time, unless I'm doing a group ride for a known distance. 

2010-08-12 9:17 PM
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I've done both.

Swims by distance other than ows that are by time.

Bikes and runs currently by time but in past with different coach have done both distance and time.
2010-08-12 9:38 PM
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Time's a great rule, but only best for running in my opinion.


2010-08-13 8:40 AM
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sort of the scenario where, if I was running by distance, my long run may very well take me well over 3 hours... and most of the "in the know" guys around here suggest cutting it off at or around 2:30... it's worked well for me so far (no injuries that is)

Swim - distance
Bike - depends on the workout
2010-08-13 9:45 AM
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Swim is by distance unless you are doing an OWS or swimming in a current pool.

Bike is generally done by time

With the advancement of GPS technology run training can generally done by distance unless you have a specific time/interval type workout.

The caveat to the run distance training is that you are generally doing more harm than good after 3 hours.

2010-08-13 9:47 AM
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I figure the rest of my life is plotted out by time so to keep it the same measure I do training as time too
2010-08-13 10:46 AM
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both depend on the discipline, training phase and session's goal
2010-08-13 6:31 PM
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JorgeM - 2010-08-13 11:46 AM both depend on the discipline, training phase and session's goal

^^this



2010-08-13 6:38 PM
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...by height.
2010-08-14 2:45 AM
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bryancd - 2010-08-13 7:38 PM

  • ..by height.




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