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 2010-08-03 7:15 AM |
Elite  3315    Miami |  Subject: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performancejust got the new Outside Magazine (August), this is based on the journal of Medicine & Science in Sports & Excercise. supposedly runners who had a 10 oz slushie (ice and sugar water) could run 19% longer in 93 degree heat. apparently the reasoning is it can drop your core temp by 1/2 degree or more... pretty interesting....i hope there will be slushie machines at the next run event.  |
| 2010-08-03 8:18 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
| Veteran 200 Summerfield, NC | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance Allen Lim talked about this in one of the last issues of Bicycling, specifically how it pertained to Lance. Pretty interesting article(for Bicycling), mostly about Lim and his training approaches and how they relate to LA. |
| 2010-08-03 8:19 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
Member 84 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance Interesting...Why a slushy and not ice cold water or something else cold? Were the performance gains only due to the cooler core temp or was there more too it (ie. lots of sugar)? |
| 2010-08-03 8:25 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
Master 2210 Columbus, OhioCoaching member | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance I think a slushie would be colder than ice water. The closer you can get the ice to the water molecules (surface area) the colder the water gets. I think adding salt makes it even colder because the melting temp of the ice goes higher. (or lower? I'm not making sense....) Wonder if the slushie has a little sodium in it.... |
| 2010-08-03 8:37 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
| Veteran 480 | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance It's all about surface area of the ice. Slushie has greater surface area of ice crystals than ice cubes in water, where most of the crystals are inside the cube. |
| 2010-08-03 8:45 AM in reply to: #3020349 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance ahohl - 2010-08-03 9:25 PM I think a slushie would be colder than ice water. The closer you can get the ice to the water molecules (surface area) the colder the water gets. I think adding salt makes it even colder because the melting temp of the ice goes higher. (or lower? I'm not making sense....) Wonder if the slushie has a little sodium in it.... No doubt it does, plus the colorant will likely have some kind of salt (in the chemical sense), AND the sugar can cause the melting temp to be higher (therefore, the slushie--which has some solid, some liquid--is colder than freezing). Surface area isn't going to make a difference if everything you're sucking down gets melted. I'm a big fan of stopping for a popsicle during long runs ... also, I live in the tropics. |
| 2010-08-03 8:47 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
Expert 2852 Pfafftown, NC | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance What this translates to, to ME is......the importance (or, benefit) of keeping your hydration as cool as possible, for as long as possible. |
| 2010-08-03 8:48 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance Practically speaking, I don't see this making it into the running circuit any time soon. |
| 2010-08-03 8:51 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
Master 2210 Columbus, OhioCoaching member | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance So how do you keep your drinks cool? Do those insulated bottles really work? I start out with drinks I have kept in the fridge or freezer all night, and in the summer they are warm within a few miles. There IS a slushie machine at one of the gas stations on the Rev3 Cedar Point course. Maybe I will put that in my race plan, to run there and get one, LOL. |
| 2010-08-03 8:52 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
Master 2210 Columbus, OhioCoaching member | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance And yes, I perform WAY better when it's cool. My last training ride, it started raining, and we were nice and cool for a couple hours. It made a huge difference in perceived exertion. |
| 2010-08-03 8:56 AM in reply to: #3020423 |
| Veteran 480 | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance TriAya - 2010-08-03 8:45 AM ahohl - 2010-08-03 9:25 PM I think a slushie would be colder than ice water. The closer you can get the ice to the water molecules (surface area) the colder the water gets. I think adding salt makes it even colder because the melting temp of the ice goes higher. (or lower? I'm not making sense....) Wonder if the slushie has a little sodium in it.... No doubt it does, plus the colorant will likely have some kind of salt (in the chemical sense), AND the sugar can cause the melting temp to be higher (therefore, the slushie--which has some solid, some liquid--is colder than freezing). Surface area isn't going to make a difference if everything you're sucking down gets melted. I'm a big fan of stopping for a popsicle during long runs ... also, I live in the tropics. True. I just meant why a slushie would be colder than ice water. I'm sure the salt/sugars in the drink played more than temp. Personally, I choke on really cold water at aid stations, and prefer air temp water. After workout I can take on cold drink. |
| 2010-08-03 8:56 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance Slushie make Yanti happy. Happy Yanti run better. Dunno about faster. I assume I run better in cool weather, mainly because I think anything cooler than what I currently run in would be good, but I get pretty cranky and uncomfortable if it's below 70. |
| 2010-08-03 8:59 AM in reply to: #3020430 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance Scout7 - 2010-08-03 9:48 AM Practically speaking, I don't see this making it into the running circuit any time soon. Way to crush my dreams of an electric-powered mobile slushie cart at the NYC marathon. You runner folks don't carry enough cash anyway. Pfft!  |
| 2010-08-03 9:02 AM in reply to: #3020472 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance Pector55 - 2010-08-03 9:59 AM Scout7 - 2010-08-03 9:48 AM Practically speaking, I don't see this making it into the running circuit any time soon. Way to crush my dreams of an electric-powered mobile slushie cart at the NYC marathon. You runner folks don't carry enough cash anyway. Pfft! Don't worry, one of the cycle companies will start producing a hitch you can attach to your bike so you can tow one along the course with you. |
| 2010-08-03 9:04 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL Gold member | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance My first brain freeze was outside a 7-Eleven when I was 11 years old drinking a slushie during summer vacation, you never forget that!   Nothing new with this, marathoners were wearing ice/cool jackets to bring down their core temps before the start of the 2004 and 2008 Olympics. |
| 2010-08-03 9:08 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
Pro 5361 | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance There's a huge energy difference between ice at 32 degrees and water at 32 degrees. A slushy allows you to drink ice, and ice will absorb a lot more energy (heat) during its phase change. it's not rocket science, and the relationship between outside temp and max performance has been long established. This isn't surprising at all. |
| 2010-08-03 9:10 AM in reply to: #3020428 |
| Veteran 200 Summerfield, NC | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance nc452010 - 2010-08-03 8:47 AM What this translates to, to ME is......the importance (or, benefit) of keeping your hydration as cool as possible, for as long as possible. The thing is the more you read about "breakthrough" research the more you realize most of it is common sense. The hard part is figuring out how to relate to real life. Sure slushie consistency is better then regular water but how many of us have that option midway through a long run in BFE. So you freeze half a water bottle and go with the melt effect. |
| 2010-08-03 9:12 AM in reply to: #3020485 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance Scout7 - 2010-08-03 10:02 AM Pector55 - 2010-08-03 9:59 AM Don't worry, one of the cycle companies will start producing a hitch you can attach to your bike so you can tow one along the course with you.Scout7 - 2010-08-03 9:48 AM Practically speaking, I don't see this making it into the running circuit any time soon. Way to crush my dreams of an electric-powered mobile slushie cart at the NYC marathon. You runner folks don't carry enough cash anyway. Pfft! But will I be able to adapt it for running? Perhaps some sort of mobile IV... |
| 2010-08-03 9:16 AM in reply to: #3020461 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance abier - 2010-08-03 9:56 PM TriAya - 2010-08-03 8:45 AM ahohl - 2010-08-03 9:25 PM I think a slushie would be colder than ice water. The closer you can get the ice to the water molecules (surface area) the colder the water gets. I think adding salt makes it even colder because the melting temp of the ice goes higher. (or lower? I'm not making sense....) Wonder if the slushie has a little sodium in it.... No doubt it does, plus the colorant will likely have some kind of salt (in the chemical sense), AND the sugar can cause the melting temp to be higher (therefore, the slushie--which has some solid, some liquid--is colder than freezing). Surface area isn't going to make a difference if everything you're sucking down gets melted. I'm a big fan of stopping for a popsicle during long runs ... also, I live in the tropics. True. I just meant why a slushie would be colder than ice water. I'm sure the salt/sugars in the drink played more than temp. Personally, I choke on really cold water at aid stations, and prefer air temp water. After workout I can take on cold drink. Yes, I'm sure the carbs/electrolytes made a considerable difference too. I used to choke on really cold liquids, but the other day I found out I can chug an ice-cold full-fizz Coke in less than 15 seconds. I guess it just had to be hot enough and I wanted one bad enough and didn't want to stop running long enough. |
| 2010-08-03 9:21 AM in reply to: #3020541 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance TriAya - 2010-08-03 10:16 AM I used to choke on really cold liquids, but the other day I found out I can chug an ice-cold full-fizz Coke in less than 15 seconds. I guess it just had to be hot enough and I wanted one bad enough and didn't want to stop running long enough. There's a comment to be made in there, I'm certain of it. |
| 2010-08-03 9:38 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
Expert 1123 Falls Church, VA | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance trix - 2010-08-03 8:15 AM just got the new Outside Magazine (August), this is based on the journal of Medicine & Science in Sports & Excercise. supposedly runners who had a 10 oz slushie (ice and sugar water) could run 19% longer in 93 degree heat. apparently the reasoning is it can drop your core temp by 1/2 degree or more... pretty interesting....i hope there will be slushie machines at the next run event. Conrad Stoltz had a bag of ice in a cooler for his T2 at the Richmond xterra, I think the ice was in a bag he could sort of wear on his back or something.. but now I can't remember where I saw the pictures. It was 90-95 or so that day and very high humidity and he smoked it on the run. |
| 2010-08-03 10:07 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
| Veteran 136 | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance I just got a snowcone maker for my b-day. Slushies at my house before the next group run! -k |
| 2010-08-03 10:20 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
| Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance I think with the slushie you would be getting actual ice into your stomach, as with ice water you would only be getting the chilled water. |
| 2010-08-03 10:30 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
Master 1433 Calgary, AB Silver member | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance I bring a small battery operated slushie maker (like the magic bullet) and keep it in my transition station with my foot wash tray and bucket. Don't you? |
| 2010-08-03 10:35 AM in reply to: #3020218 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Outside Magazine: interesting tid bit on increasing run performance Just a side note: While the slushie WILL cool you down and help with core temp rise, you can't absorb cold liquid very well, the body has to get it to near body temp before absorbing the majority of it. So, you ARE diverting some energy into heating your stomach contents. John |
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