Bike/Run speed ratio
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2010-08-04 6:55 PM |
Master 1770 Bedford, MA | Subject: Bike/Run speed ratio So I was thinking today about what the 'perfect' ratio is for speed on the bike versus the run, and I was thinking specifically of the Olympic distance. An elite male athlete can bike around 26-27 mph for an Olympic and do the run at 11-12 mph (5:00 - 5:30 mile). This results in a ratio of approximately 2.3 to 1. The lower the ratio, the better (Averaging 27mph and doing a run at 12mph wold be 2.25). Beginning triathletes may average 17mph on the bike and run at 5 mph (12:00 mile), which results in a ratio of 3.4. My ratio for Olympic distance is 2.82, so right in the middle of beginner and elite. As the distance gets longer the ratio would get a little higher (elite ironman athletes would be around 2.6-2.7) and I imagine a little lower for sprint distances. So, what's your ratio? |
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2010-08-04 7:05 PM in reply to: #3024028 |
Subject: RE: Bike/Run speed ratio Your ratio is flawed. I could be a 15 mph cyclist and a 10 mph runner, making my ratio a ridiculous 1.5 In an oly distance, that would be a ~1:39 bike and a ~ 37 min run. A total of 2:16 My actual ratio is 22.2 (1:07) and 7.3 (51 min), making my actual ratio 3.04. But my total bike/run time is 1:58 So even though my actual ratio is double my hypothetical ratio...by actual time is 18 minutes faster. |
2010-08-04 8:08 PM in reply to: #3024028 |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL | Subject: RE: Bike/Run speed ratio Hmmm, I never thought about it this way. My races going back to 07 have the following: 2.63 - AG 12/26 (.46) - 1.5x Oly race 2.62 - 14/27 (.52) - Sprint 1 3.17 - 14/24 (.58) - Oly 1 2.94 - 13/36 (.36) - Sprint 1 3.01 - 11/17 (.65) - Oly 1 2.45 - 6/34 (.18) - Sprint 2 3.01 - 17/49 (.35) - Sprint 1 My best race (2.45 last fall) had a very fast run as I was in the midst of 13.1 training. |
2010-08-04 8:13 PM in reply to: #3024040 |
Member 125 San Diego | Subject: RE: Bike/Run speed ratio tri808 - 2010-08-04 7:05 PM Your ratio is flawed. I could be a 15 mph cyclist and a 10 mph runner, making my ratio a ridiculous 1.5 In an oly distance, that would be a ~1:39 bike and a ~ 37 min run. A total of 2:16 My actual ratio is 22.2 (1:07) and 7.3 (51 min), making my actual ratio 3.04. But my total bike/run time is 1:58 So even though my actual ratio is double my hypothetical ratio...by actual time is 18 minutes faster. This is true in an absolute sense (e.g. comparing athelte A to athlete B), however this measure may have some use in a relative sense (e.g. comparing race A to race B for a single athlete) Cheers, -j |
2010-08-04 8:37 PM in reply to: #3024147 |
Subject: RE: Bike/Run speed ratio jasonmkennedy - 2010-08-04 4:13 PM tri808 - 2010-08-04 7:05 PM Your ratio is flawed. I could be a 15 mph cyclist and a 10 mph runner, making my ratio a ridiculous 1.5 In an oly distance, that would be a ~1:39 bike and a ~ 37 min run. A total of 2:16 My actual ratio is 22.2 (1:07) and 7.3 (51 min), making my actual ratio 3.04. But my total bike/run time is 1:58 So even though my actual ratio is double my hypothetical ratio...by actual time is 18 minutes faster. This is true in an absolute sense (e.g. comparing athelte A to athlete B), however this measure may have some use in a relative sense (e.g. comparing race A to race B for a single athlete) Cheers, -j This ratio means nothing because you can improve your time by increasing or decreasing the ratio. Or it is possible for your ratio to go up or down...and your time doesn't change at all If my run stays the same at 8 mph, but my bike speed improves from 21 mph to 22 mph, then my ratio increases, and my time improves. If my bike stays the same at 21 mph, but my run speed improves from 8 mph to 9 mph, then my ratio decreases, and my time improves. If my bike gets slower, but my run improves by the same time margin, then my ratio will significantly decrease, but my time does not change. If my bike gets faster, but my run is slower by the same time margin, then my ratio will significantly increase, but my time does not change. Is it an interesting number to look at...sure...but it means little to nothing. |
2010-08-04 9:08 PM in reply to: #3024028 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Bike/Run speed ratio Hmm...if 2.3:1 has anything to do with being "elite" level at the Oly distance, I should have more than one AG medal at that distance by now: Ratio = 2.41:1 (20.0 mph/8.3 mph in my last Oly) Doesn't really say much of anything other than to perhaps identify relatively slow cyclists and fast runners, since that's the combination that will tend to gin up the ratio. (As in my case, a mediocre cyclist and BOFOP runner for my AG.) Or people who are BOP cyclists and BOMOP runners: 12 mph bike : 11:30/mile (5.22 mph) run = 2.3:1 ratio |
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2010-08-04 9:45 PM in reply to: #3024028 |
Master 1770 Bedford, MA | Subject: RE: Bike/Run speed ratio I guess it isn't all that perfect, but I was thinking along the lines of athletes that are pretty even in terms of abilities in each leg. It probably works better for those athletes that don't have a big disparity between biking and running. Now, if I did it for biking and swimming, for example, I'd throw it off myself because I suck at swimming and am usually top 10 overall on the bike. |
2010-08-05 8:26 AM in reply to: #3024223 |
Veteran 345 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Bike/Run speed ratio tcovert - 2010-08-04 9:08 PM Hmm...if 2.3:1 has anything to do with being "elite" level at the Oly distance, I should have more than one AG medal at that distance by now: Ratio = 2.41:1 (20.0 mph/8.3 mph in my last Oly) Doesn't really say much of anything other than to perhaps identify relatively slow cyclists and fast runners, since that's the combination that will tend to gin up the ratio. (As in my case, a mediocre cyclist and BOFOP runner for my AG.) Or people who are BOP cyclists and BOMOP runners: 12 mph bike : 11:30/mile (5.22 mph) run = 2.3:1 ratio Yeah, I had to laugh when I read this because I am exactly that - I'm a 14pmh cyclist and 6pmh runner - so my "ratio" is about the same as the "elites" LOL. Rather amusing, but still means I am the last one into T2 and almost the last one across the finish line! |
2010-08-05 8:32 AM in reply to: #3024028 |
Extreme Veteran 465 Atlanta, GA | Subject: RE: Bike/Run speed ratio natethomas2000 - 2010-08-04 7:55 PM So I was thinking today about what the 'perfect' ratio is for speed on the bike versus the run, and I was thinking specifically of the Olympic distance. An elite male athlete can bike around 26-27 mph for an Olympic and do the run at 11-12 mph (5:00 - 5:30 mile). This results in a ratio of approximately 2.3 to 1. The lower the ratio, the better (Averaging 27mph and doing a run at 12mph wold be 2.25). Beginning triathletes may average 17mph on the bike and run at 5 mph (12:00 mile), which results in a ratio of 3.4. My ratio for Olympic distance is 2.82, so right in the middle of beginner and elite. As the distance gets longer the ratio would get a little higher (elite ironman athletes would be around 2.6-2.7) and I imagine a little lower for sprint distances. So, what's your ratio? That is what it takes to be elite. All the other numbers don't really mean anything. |
2010-08-05 8:53 AM in reply to: #3024028 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Bike/Run speed ratio Mine is pretty complicated so I wrote a program that took the input from all my training and my races for both the bike and the run over the past year and calculated mine. I weighted critical factors such as hill rides to hill runs, flat to flats, intervals to intervals, etc. It turns out I'm perfect. Results: Congratulations, based on suck:suck, you have earned a perfect 1:1 ratio. |
2010-08-05 12:08 PM in reply to: #3024147 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Bike/Run speed ratio jasonmkennedy - 2010-08-04 9:13 PM tri808 - 2010-08-04 7:05 PM Your ratio is flawed. I could be a 15 mph cyclist and a 10 mph runner, making my ratio a ridiculous 1.5 In an oly distance, that would be a ~1:39 bike and a ~ 37 min run. A total of 2:16 My actual ratio is 22.2 (1:07) and 7.3 (51 min), making my actual ratio 3.04. But my total bike/run time is 1:58 So even though my actual ratio is double my hypothetical ratio...by actual time is 18 minutes faster. This is true in an absolute sense (e.g. comparing athelte A to athlete B), however this measure may have some use in a relative sense (e.g. comparing race A to race B for a single athlete) Cheers, -j I don't think that can even be said, because different courses can affect the ratio significantly. If the bike is hilly, and the run flat the ratio would be very different from a race with a flat bike and hilly run, or a race on a day when it was cool and overcast during the bike, but it cleared off and the temperature hit 95 degrees during the run. The whole concept seems to be an interesting math exercise, not an indicator of performance. |
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