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2005-07-23 10:24 AM

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Subject: body fat calculation - calipers question
Just had my body fat % calculated by my gf's personal trainer (a multi-titled masters bodybuilding champ who is cut and muscled like you wouldn't believe). He's been a trainer and pro body builder for 40 years, so frankly I figure he knows how to measure body fat because it's so crucial in that sport.

He tells me I'm 35.4% body fat, but that my lean mass is 118.9 lbs. I weigh 154.

For comparison, in February I was 168lbs with 123lbs lean mass, or 27% body fat. I had it measured by 2 different people over 2 weeks that month and that was the average between their measurements. One of the measurements was at a hospital health center, so again, I know calipers are subjective but it's not gonna be THAT far off.

I assumed body fat % was :
lean weight as determined via some mystical formula for caliper measurements / total weight

This guy did total-of-caliper-measurements (202 in my case) divided by my current weight, multiplied by .27 to determine percentage of body fat. Which is 35.4.

Can anybody educate me on this? I am so baffled. He was flying thru it and it may have just done something incorrectly. To me, my lean mass (and again, I am unclear how he came up with the number 118.9) divided by current weight gives me about 22.7% fat.

What gives, does anybody know? I really want to use my lean mass to help me figure out my ultimate target weight, which isn't going to be 125lbs like all those stupid charts say for my height. So I would like to know how to project out assuming the same lean mass, and if I'm differeing by over 10% from his measurements I don't know that I can trust my numbers.

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2005-07-23 2:05 PM
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Subject: RE: body fat calculation - calipers question
I don't know how they calculate using calipers.  It is the least accurate method tho.  the underwater body submersion thing (which I did in college a thousand years ago in is no picnic) is currently considered the gold standard.  The bod pod things are supposed to be good too.  Some of the newer DEXA scanners have software that can determine body fat and occording to the manufacturer is more accurate than submersion.  The scales that give you a reading with bioimpedence I'm not so sure about.  They have a regualr and an athletic setting.  My BF is about 8-10% different depending on the setting.....weirdness.  SOunds messed up tho.....good luck
2005-07-23 8:59 PM
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Subject: RE: body fat calculation - calipers question
He must have done his math wrong. If you weigh 154, and your lean mass is 118.9, your BF% is 22.7, just like you thought. My thinking is, he told you how much fat (in pounds) you have. Which I calculated to be 35.1, by the way. He was probably just breezing through it, or had a brain fart or something. No worries, you haven't gained huge percentages of fat!
2005-07-24 11:43 AM
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NOW my gf tells me she subtracted the 35 from the 154, which is how he got the lean mass. I wish she'd have rememberd this yesterday so I didn't have to sit here and fret about it -- Atlantia, thank you for jarring her memory, you are exactly correct. He did write it down next to "bf%" which is what confused and worried me, but he subtracted it from my overall weight and wrote that result down next to "lean" and he did tell me definitively that my lean mass is 118.9. So. Mystery solved.

Thank you!!

I know we shouldn't worry about the numbers, but dangit...that's hard advice to follow.
2005-08-03 10:21 PM
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Subject: RE: body fat calculation - calipers question
So, I was trying to help but it looks like you have everything figured out. Your total weight is 154, fat weight 35 lbs so yes, 22-23% fat. Here, if you need it, is a nice formula to use if you would like to know what body weight to shoot for in order to get to a certain fat %. Not trying to intrude, just throwing stuff out there.

Target Weight= (current wt)(1-current%fat)/ (1-desired%fat)



The % values need to be decimals, ie .27 for 27%.

EX Science is mymajor so I really like to help people. Again, hope I am not interferring.

Edited by sivley01 2005-08-03 10:23 PM
2005-08-03 11:23 PM
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I agree with the other responses...the most accurate way is underwater weighing...skinfolds can be off by quite a bit due to technician error or amount of hydration.


2005-08-04 6:21 AM
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BUT. If your only option is calipers, and your techinician is the same person each time who does it under the same conditions, you do get a pretty good sense of improvement, no?

At least I feel like I do....
2005-08-05 1:58 PM
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I found the formula he's working from, which explains the numbers:
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/ultimatebodyfattestingguide.php

He does the 9 point test. So, by his measurements and the formula, I am indeed 35.4% body fat. I have gotten over it though, the lean mass is just wrong because I'm nowhere near 23%. I'm also nowhere near 35%. So, whatever, it's another way to gauge progress.

Interestingly, I read a few studies where the calipers are pretty far off for women who carry their fat on their midsection. I know there's a technical term for it, but I can't remember. Anyway, anybody heard of this?

sivley, thanks for your assistance. Any clarification is good as far as I'm concerned.

Edited by madeye 2005-08-05 2:00 PM
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