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2010-12-11 8:18 AM

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Subject: Spoke Counts
I am looking for a used set of racing wheels.  Ideally Zipp 404 clinchers, but also considering 808's or 606's or HED Jet6/9's.  If I can find a set with a wireless powertap hub, even better. 

My question though is if I find some, should I be concerned about a higher spoke count?  I generally weigh between 160-165.  I see a few on ebay for example that have 28 or 32 spoke counts, even for the front.  How much of an impact to performance will a higher spoke count really make - I would guess it would help with durability, but dont know if this is worth the cost in performance (aero, weight, etc).  Should I consider these or wait until there are some with lower spoke counts?  I would think I would want 24 for the back and 20 for the front (I assume 20 in the rear would be too low for me, especially, if I use for training as well).  Any other considerations I should think about (type of spokes, hubs, etc).

I will primarily use these for racing, but might use them for the occasional training ride. 



2010-12-11 12:38 PM
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Please rely on manufacturer's guidelines and not my opinions, but ....

.... at 165 you don't really need to worry that much about spoke counts as low as 16/20, but if it's in your brain .... ride what you feel most comfortable with. But if you are really using them only for racing then I'd probably go with a faster wheel rather than a higher spoke wheel, however.

I'm 175 but get up to 180, and I ride and prefer 20/24. The only spoke I ever broke was in a race, on a 16 spoke front wheel, but it cost me a DNF. I'd be comfortable on 20/20 .... but 16 spokes just freaks me out a little..... 20 spokes is 25% more spokes versus 16!

2008 Zipp 404s came in 18/24, so this might suit you. And Zipp also has a Clydesdale Clincher 404 (now called a 404 Max) that is 24/24 or 20/24 .... but this is overkill especially for you. And I know a 190 pounder on Reynolds 16/20. And Shimano C50's are 16/20 and are known for their durability .... they have no weight limit.

The rim makes a big deal too. A strong rim like a Zipp 404 (with aluminum brake track) or a deeper rim like a 66mm Reynolds Strike or SDV66 is sturdier.... a super light rim like a Reynolds MV 32 UL probably benefits from more spokes, and you can only get 20/24 from the OEM on this 32mm deeepr all carbon rim.

Fewer is faster, more aero, and lighter though. But I have an old 1998 Bianchi Campione with 32/32 ... man that feels solid and sweet underneath. I've just decided to trade 3 grams per spoke and a watt or two for a little peace of mind, but you'll hear both perspectives on this.



Edited by jsselle 2010-12-11 12:39 PM
2010-12-11 2:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Spoke Counts
Thanks for the feedback.  I figured I could go with fewer, but wasnt sure what the real cost would be if I went with more.  Not that I want to, but that may be what I can get a good deal on.  Ideally, I would like 18/24 like you mentioned, but if I find a good deal on something with more, should I turn it down?  Or is the loss really not worth it at that point and I should just get what I can get?
2010-12-11 2:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Spoke Counts
Interesting info here from Zipp on wheel aero stuff.  Check out the articles linked on left re spoke count & spoke shape. 

http://www.zipp.com/technologies/aerodynamics/aerodynamics.php

IMHO- For decent quality spokes/rims I see no real advantage to going lower than 20-spoke for aero.  But there is a significant advantage to bladed/oval spokes vs round.  At your riding weight 20/20 or 20/24 should be fine.
2010-12-11 5:00 PM
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Depends on the wheel and roads. At 250 pounds I put 2000 miles on a 18/20 wheelset without a bit of problem. At your size you can ride anything.
2010-12-11 6:44 PM
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I ride Rolf Prima Vigor SLs. 14/16 front to back bladed spokes. I have ridden them between 175lbs - 210 lbs with zero issues. I think you're fine.


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