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Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit
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 2011-01-06 4:24 PM |
Expert  661    Maui, Hawaii |  Subject: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar SwimsuitI am learning about combat swimming. Is this usual, or out of the norm? See my blog post HERE. |
| 2011-01-06 5:08 PM in reply to: #3283055 |
Coach 9167  Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit Its common for people who CANT swim well to make contact like that but you mention that they were good swimmers? The contact makes no sense to me. waht stroke was he swimming? where in his stroke cycle did he grab your suit? He sounds like an a**. I think you should always swim in his lane and swim breasttroke or butterfly while he's trying to workout. |
| 2011-01-06 5:32 PM in reply to: #3283055 |
| Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit Usually, the only time I make contact with someone in another lane is when my hand touches their hand as we are both stoking...or if one of us is breast stroking, that foot may touch another hand or foot. Edited by tri808 2011-01-06 5:32 PM |
| 2011-01-06 5:58 PM in reply to: #3283055 |
Pro 4360 Baton Rouge area | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit Really trying to figure out what this is about, was it where the contact was made that upset you? Incidental contact happens occasionally, I (or anyone else that was involved) never stopped mid-set to apologize. Had I injured someone (club them in the eye or something) than I would stop. At the end of the set I may say sorry but we all know it happens and its usually the obligatory "sorry". Our pool has lane dividers which help but don't prevent it. If it happened a lot or you felt it was intentional then I can see getting worked up about it but otherwise I would just blow it off. BTW, IMHO this is in no way combat swimming, now if he had grabbed your legged, pulled you down and swam over you than yes that would be combat swimming. |
| 2011-01-06 6:11 PM in reply to: #3283224 |
| Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit I disagree with some of the other responses here. I swam competitively for a long time. Yes contact happens but it's usually when you're circle swimming with several people in the same lane. The fact that this guy was in the next lane over makes it sound either deliberate, or really really careless, considering he's supposedly a good swimmer. Even in a race where I'm hugging the lane line to get a little draft off someone, I've never had that kind of contact. |
| 2011-01-06 6:17 PM in reply to: #3283055 |
| Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit I'm still trying to figure out what happened... next lane over? and grabbed your crotch? I don't see how that could happen. We get the occasional arm swipe during backstroke pull, or maybe an errant kick from a too wide breastroke from the next lane. All of that is incidental and doesnt' warrant an apology. But I am not sure I could physically grab a girl's crotch area in the next lane without going under the lane line. Or maybe he was just coming on to you?  |
| 2011-01-06 6:22 PM in reply to: #3283055 |
Extreme Veteran 833 Strong Beach, CA | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit It wasn't a mistake.....he was trying to cop a feel. Unless of course you were completely rolled over to the side. |
| 2011-01-06 6:39 PM in reply to: #3283055 |
Master 1929 Midlothian, VA | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit I think more details are needed. Are you swimming a class without lane-ropes? If there were ropes, it should not be possible to make that much contact from another lane or at the least it would be obvious to someone on deck. In general, contact comes with the territory and in my experience unless it keeps happening everyone shrugs it off and keeps going. -eric |
| 2011-01-06 7:03 PM in reply to: #3283055 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit DiOnMaui - 2011-01-06 4:24 PM I am learning about combat swimming. Is this usual, or out of the norm? See my blog post HERE. If he's an experienced swimmer, and not swimming backstroke, then I'm saying he was copping a feel. A little perv action going down it that pool |
| 2011-01-06 8:01 PM in reply to: #3283055 |
| Expert 1233 | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit Darn, I was actually expecting to see a new carbon fiber suit! Don't have one of those! |
| 2011-01-06 9:32 PM in reply to: #3283055 |
Champion 4942 Richmond, VA | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit a few years ago an old lady one the lane over was doing some backstroke-esque jellyfish swimming technique. kicked me right in the junk as I swam by, flailing her leg under the lane rope. |
| 2011-01-07 9:36 AM in reply to: #3283597 |
Extreme Veteran 454 Torrance/Carson | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit condorman - 2011-01-06 7:32 PM a few years ago an old lady one the lane over was doing some backstroke-esque jellyfish swimming technique. kicked me right in the junk as I swam by, flailing her leg under the lane rope. Hahaha. This is definitely one of those stories where it sucks to be there but is hilarious in retrospect. As for the original post, if he's in a different lane as you say he is, then he's trying to cop a feel. There's no way even a semi-decent serious swimmer would do that accidentally. |
| 2011-01-07 9:57 AM in reply to: #3283055 |
| over a barrier | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit Contact is going to happen at masters especially if lanes are full on both sides. I smack wrists/hands all the time and get the occasional kick to the nads. I've never had anyone say sorry and I've never sorry either....just happens. Just roll with it.... edit to add: did this happen at the wall during a flip turn? Edited by running2far 2011-01-07 9:59 AM |
| 2011-01-07 10:42 AM in reply to: #3283055 |
Extreme Veteran 767 Rockville, MD | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit Dont expect apologies. Contact happens often enough that people dont worry about it, and yes, sometimes the contact is in wierd places. |
| 2011-01-07 12:13 PM in reply to: #3284387 |
Science Nerd 28760 Redwood City, California | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit running2far - 2011-01-07 10:57 AM Contact is going to happen at masters especially if lanes are full on both sides. I smack wrists/hands all the time and get the occasional kick to the nads. I've never had anyone say sorry and I've never sorry either....just happens. Just roll with it.... edit to add: did this happen at the wall during a flip turn? Same here. I've smacked hands and arms with people a few times during swim practice. That being said, I'm not entirely sure how the OP's situation happened. Usually, I only hit extremities (sometimes arms hit, sometimes kicked), but I've never had anyone grab my crotch. That's just weird and makes me think it was intentional. |
| 2011-01-07 1:56 PM in reply to: #3283055 |
Expert 661 Maui, Hawaii | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit Yes, I am laughing it off... and I know contact happens. The little nicks and scrapes are no big deal and I wouldn't apologize or expect an apology either, especially with a full pool. He was backstroking right on the lane line, but I knew he was there so tried to keep as much distance as I could without crowding my lane partner. And, really, I know it was an accident - otherwise, the the timing to do something like that on purpose would really be impressive!  It wasn't so much the location of the contact (as surprising as it was!), but it was full and obvious contact. A quick apology at the wall after his set was finished would have been appropriate, I thought. At least to make sure you hadn't poked someone's eye out? |
| 2011-01-07 2:04 PM in reply to: #3285116 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit DiOnMaui - 2011-01-07 1:56 PM Yes, I am laughing it off... and I know contact happens. The little nicks and scrapes are no big deal and I wouldn't apologize or expect an apology either, especially with a full pool. He was backstroking right on the lane line, but I knew he was there so tried to keep as much distance as I could without crowding my lane partner. And, really, I know it was an accident - otherwise, the the timing to do something like that on purpose would really be impressive! It wasn't so much the location of the contact (as surprising as it was!), but it was full and obvious contact. A quick apology at the wall after his set was finished would have been appropriate, I thought. At least to make sure you hadn't poked someone's eye out? But did he get your phone number? haha |
| 2011-01-07 2:05 PM in reply to: #3283055 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit Last week while swimming at the Y in MN, a women joins my lane. After she gets back to the wall I suggest we split the lane and she agrees. She keeps swimming down the middle of the lane over the black line. I avoid her as best I can but usually we would hit each other when we pass even with me on the lane dividers. I was doing some harder effort swimming and my hand went down the top of her suit probably up to my wrist which was startling for me and it took me a few seconds to figure out what happened. I kept swimming but stopped at the end of the pool where she was. She had two visible deep scratch marks on her chest. I'm sure I had her DNA under my fingernails. I apologized and we chatted and had conversation about elder parents. She was okay about it, but I felt bad and wondered what she'd think once she saw the scratch marks. I choose carefully who I swim with when sharing lanes if I can as some folks swim wider than others and are not aware of others at all. Today I almost had to share a lane with the worst guy who swims wide and has no awareness. |
| 2011-01-07 2:13 PM in reply to: #3285142 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit KathyG - 2011-01-07 2:05 PM Last week while swimming at the Y in MN, a women joins my lane. After she gets back to the wall I suggest we split the lane and she agrees. She keeps swimming down the middle of the lane over the black line. I avoid her as best I can but usually we would hit each other when we pass even with me on the lane dividers. I was doing some harder effort swimming and my hand went down the top of her suit probably up to my wrist which was startling for me and it took me a few seconds to figure out what happened. I kept swimming but stopped at the end of the pool where she was. She had two visible deep scratch marks on her chest. I'm sure I had her DNA under my fingernails. I apologized and we chatted and had conversation about elder parents. She was okay about it, but I felt bad and wondered what she'd think once she saw the scratch marks. I choose carefully who I swim with when sharing lanes if I can as some folks swim wider than others and are not aware of others at all. Today I almost had to share a lane with the worst guy who swims wide and has no awareness. Did you get her number? man I am crackin myself up today! truthfully though, I have been bumped and scratched just about everywhere and done the same to others. I think it's just the nature of the beast. |
| 2011-01-07 2:20 PM in reply to: #3285116 |
| Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit DiOnMaui - 2011-01-07 11:56 AM Yes, I am laughing it off... and I know contact happens. The little nicks and scrapes are no big deal and I wouldn't apologize or expect an apology either, especially with a full pool. He was backstroking right on the lane line, but I knew he was there so tried to keep as much distance as I could without crowding my lane partner. And, really, I know it was an accident - otherwise, the the timing to do something like that on purpose would really be impressive! It wasn't so much the location of the contact (as surprising as it was!), but it was full and obvious contact. A quick apology at the wall after his set was finished would have been appropriate, I thought. At least to make sure you hadn't poked someone's eye out? Ah, I expect contact from the next lane if they are doing backstroke. I've initiated it more than a few times myself. I suppose if he was right on the lane line in his lane, and you were right on the lane line in yours, his backstroke pull could be wide enough to reach your crotchal area. Happened to me last night (hit me) and I thought of this thread. Honestly, I couldn't tell who it was that did it, and I doubt he or she could tell who it was they did it to. |
| 2011-01-07 3:25 PM in reply to: #3285116 |
Veteran 178 Manhattan Beach, CA | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit He was backstroking right on the lane line, but I knew he was there so tried to keep as much distance as I could without crowding my lane partner. I am definitely guilty of this when swimming backstroke. For some reason, I hug the lane line and have a wide pull. It's always awkward for a moment, but by the time you stop at the wall, it seems even more awkward to bring it up. I also usually have no idea who it was I hit. Drew |
| 2011-01-07 4:28 PM in reply to: #3283055 |
Extreme Veteran 454 Torrance/Carson | Subject: RE: Masters Swimming, Manners and the Kevlar Swimsuit If it's backstroke then that's a different beast all together. I'm sure he didn't mean any harm by it and it's expected in that situation. |
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